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1. righthand · 1789756315 · focus · HN ↗

   So carry a separate device while traveling. Or wipe your phone, then restore after the border. This is just going to lead to a service that does this for you and the overreaching feds won’t be able to do anything about it.

   And as far as I can tell you still don’t have to give them your pin code.

   1. peezd · 1789758908 · focus · HN ↗

      It's been somewhat established that having a wiped or basic phone is in itself sus and reason for them to investigate you further.

      1. iamnothere · 1789760202 · focus · HN ↗

         They can investigate all they want, they can even detain you briefly, but if you are a citizen and there’s no evidence of a crime then they have to let you in.

         1. CamperBob2 · 1789762180 · focus · HN ↗

            They have more guns than you do, and these days, most of the judges are blindly and shamelessly on their side. They don't "have" to do jack.

            1. iamnothere · 1789763399 · focus · HN ↗

               You’re fearmongering. Despite what some may say, it’s not Nazi Germany. Rule of law still has sway.

               Find me caselaw where a “basic” phone was used as valid evidence. Or where the phone was already empty when someone began to approach the border.

               1. tokai · 1789764397 · focus · HN ↗

                  Rule of Law was very strong in Nazi Germany. Everything that regime did was legal in Germany at the time.

                  1. iamnothere · 1789783918 · focus · HN ↗

                     If you really believe that the two are equivalent, I hope you’re taking action right now and not just posting on HN. Otherwise that would certainly speak poorly of your character.
               2. tombert · 1789765532 · focus · HN ↗

                  I mean they'll shoot protesters execution-style and retroactively declare that person a terrorist before they've even done any investigations.

                  It's not Nazi Germany, but this administration has certainly demonstrated that they're not above inventing reasons to justify their actions later.

                  1. iamnothere · 1789783832 · focus · HN ↗

                     Despite the problems, this stuff is still a rarity among most people. And most people understand that.

                     It’s obviously getting worse, but that’s not a reason to give up all hope.

                     1. tombert · 1789786245 · focus · HN ↗

                        I don't think I disagree with anything you said. I think cynicism is lazy.
               3. CamperBob2 · 1789773134 · focus · HN ↗

                  Rule of law still has sway.

                  Get back to me once the Good and Pretti homicides in Minneapolis have been prosecuted.

                  1. iamnothere · 1789783709 · focus · HN ↗

                     I said that it still has sway, not that it’s perfect. Your position basically amounts to “hide in bed and hope they don’t come for you”.

                     1. CamperBob2 · 1789788673 · focus · HN ↗

                        My position is that what happened to them could happen to you or me.

                        You don't seem concerned, though. So that's good. I guess.

                        1. otterley · 1789846350 · focus · HN ↗

                           The question isn’t whether something is merely possible. You could get struck by a moving ambulance tomorrow.

                           It’s about how likely something is.

                           1. CamperBob2 · 1790009403 · focus · HN ↗

                              Getting more likely every year.
         2. matheusmoreira · 1789772492 · focus · HN ↗

            And if you're not a citizen?

            1. iamnothere · 1789776819 · focus · HN ↗

               Then this does not apply. Best to consult a lawyer

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