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1. mindwok · 1789603159 · focus · HN ↗

   As an Australian, I have noticed a shift personally in feeling like I identify more with "European" culture, compared to 10 years ago I felt like we were the 51st state and I felt very close with the US.

   This seems to be shared by others, I remember reading there was a survey that asked Australians who they felt our closest international friend was. The US was the top answer for over a decade, having stolen the crown from the UK I think in the late 90s or something. Recently though, it switched to New Zealand.

   1. mianos · 1789608120 · focus · HN ↗

      Having spent a lot of time in the UK, EU and US, I feel Sydney is way more like California than say London or European cities, in terms of living, shopping and culture. Even things from the US are coming here, like the growth of Halloween.

      If you walk into a shop, the US is much more like Australia in terms of service and attitude (even though retail staff are paid vastly differently).

      I always thought this was due to TV and Australia having remote branches of many US retail chains.

      Outside of California, it's similar but diverges a lot in areas like socialism. In the recent 20 years Australia has pretty much become more like the EU in terms of socialism.

      1. holgerschurig · 1789613501 · focus · HN ↗

         Well, socialism died out in Europe around 1989. When the iron curtain fell. Currently there is not a single country that has socialism in it's constitution. In the EU, but also in exactly zero non-EU european countries.

         To educate: socialism has nothing to with how influence the execute or legislative has. Nor has it anything to do with health insurance.

         The central point of the ideology called "socialism" is that control of the state (not of private owners) over the "means of production". Like capital, land, workforce. To gain this control, socialism is keen to use force. They call it e.g. "dictatorship of the proletariat". Usually this leads to heavy oppression of the people, to some sort of police state. If you look at any real socialist country (like GDR, USSR, Yugoslavia, Cuba, North Korea) you'll always find it to some sort. Even in today's China the banks are still under government control, so "the party" has the ultimate say in everything.

         You usage of "socialism" doesn't fit that at all. Perhaps you meant something that isn't fully libertarian?

         My guess is the US people are badly educated these days. And thus easily influenced with false factoids coming from libertarian oligarchs like the Koch brothers.

         And also it seems like they never heard about "social market economy" ... I mean, there is a spectrum between a fully socialist country like e.g. North Korea and a fully capitalist like ... actually we don't have one that is purely capitalist. Not even in the USA does the "market regulates everything".

         And also I think that quite a few people never pondered about the idea that there are two words ("social" and "socialism") for a reason.

         1. MentalM · 1789616481 · focus · HN ↗

            > The central point of the ideology called "socialism" is that control of the state (not of private owners) over the "means of production".

            > Usually this leads to heavy oppression of the people, to some sort of police state.

            And EU are doing all of that (through bureaucratic regulations and control over the media).

            > there is not a single country that has socialism in it's constitution

            But it matters what it is in a political reality, not what has been write down in some papers.

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