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1. noir_lord · 1789555669 · focus · HN ↗

   Good, if the middle power democracies don't align/work together they are going to get torn apart in the struggle between the US and China.

   1. dosisking · 1789556534 · focus · HN ↗

      There is no struggle, China has already won.

      1. baxtr · 1789556569 · focus · HN ↗

         In what way has "China already won"?

         1. dosisking · 1789556959 · focus · HN ↗

            > In what way has "China already won"?

            The US has depleted their missile stockpile and can no longer defend anybody. Countries in the Middle East are moving away from the US and forming their own alliances. Taiwan knows that the US cannot do anything to help them. South Korea also knows. The US has weaponized the US Dollar, forcing countries out of the SWIFT system if they don't do what they are told. As a result, the CHIPS system has become the alternative. China understands better how the economy works, with the Belt and Road Initiative. The US government doesn't understand how the economy works, and is run by a bunch of complete m orons.

            1. cbg0 · 1789557481 · focus · HN ↗

               You've said a bunch of things that don't really equate to "China already won".

               1. dosisking · 1789558237 · focus · HN ↗

                  > You've said a bunch of things that don't really equate to "China already won".

                  There is no path for victory for the US, where it remains the world's reserve currency. China will become the world's reserve currency by 2032.

                  You are simply in denial. Everything that I wrote points to China winning.

                  1. kakacik · 1789559472 · focus · HN ↗

                     Folks can keep their heads in the sand for pretty long, as long as they look just at progressively smaller circle around them and ignore rest of reality.

                     The momentum China already gained, and gaining more every day is well beyond anything in the west. Plus if you consider the position they are rising from, its properly meteoric. Nobody knows future, but its rather easy to continue projection with current, or even a bit slower pace and within 1 or 2 decades, situation will be pretty clear from any objective perspective.

                     Above is purely technological/process progress. Add US making enemy of whole world in one brilliant move, something that is practically irreversible in upcoming decades, and situation is clear. Military (without ammo) alone won't give you much negotiating power. LLMs can be replicated elsewhere with rather little cost, and soon some small bleeding edge advantage will be largely meaningless for most practical tasks.

                     It doesn't even matter what near future brings, this is settled and no amount of denial from US or self-patting is changing that.

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