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1. karlkloss · 1789555974 · focus · HN ↗

   Nearly 60% of EU LNG imports come from the USA. If Trump doesn't like Canada to cuddle with the EU, then it won't happen.

   This is all a big pain in the back.

   1. N_Lens · 1789556065 · focus · HN ↗

      Good thing EU is investing heavily in renewables then.

      1. altern8 · 1789556242 · focus · HN ↗

         Those wind turbines are destroying the scenery, though.

         1. ohyoutravel · 1789556574 · focus · HN ↗

            Exactly. I prefer seeing pumpjacks and hydrofracking equipment, just like all red blooded capitalists.

            1. altern8 · 1789557294 · focus · HN ↗

               I've never seen a pumpjack nor any hydrofracking equipment. I have seen a few capitalists but I can't be positive they were red-blooded ones (whatever that means).

               1. ohyoutravel · 1789569561 · focus · HN ↗

                  The red blooded thing was tongue in cheek. Go visit California. Eat at In n Out. You may see a pumpjack next to the place you’re sitting enjoying your animal style fries. They’re pretty common. I don’t mind them really, but do find them to be equally / neutrally as a wind turbine in the area (also common sight in California), admittedly the wind turbine is sleeker and more modern, but the pumpjacks have more history.
         2. RugnirViking · 1789556884 · focus · HN ↗

            only if you're weird and think they dont look lovely?

            1. altern8 · 1789557200 · focus · HN ↗

               Why, do you like them?

               Solar panels are even worse. Here in Poland they're covering entire fields in the countryside, I have no idea why they don't build them on parking lots or on factory roofs.

               1. RugnirViking · 1789559100 · focus · HN ↗

                  of course. Ive not met a person that doesn't like them, either. I love hiking and have travelled pretty wide across europe.

                  Solar panels are similarly lovely to see. I'd just as rather see them than a uniform field of corn or maize or somesuch thing. I can't understand the mindset that objects to such things? is it just a straight up childish nimby "I don't want ANYTHING to be built" or would you prefer natural gas+coal power plants ? or any other built structures for that matter (I think they are better than concrete buildings etc - white tree-like things, thin with smooth curved surfaces)

                  1. altern8 · 1789560260 · focus · HN ↗

                     I mean... Different people have different opinions.

                     I would prefer nuclear

                     1. RugnirViking · 1789568408 · focus · HN ↗

                        I'm sorry I came off a little hostile. I do find it hard to understand how people can be so opposed to such clearly necessary infrastructure on purely aesthetic grounds.

                        1. bryanlarsen · 1789570696 · focus · HN ↗

                           I know several people who think oil pump jacks are pretty but wind turbines are ugly. Myself, I did a bike tour of Denmark in 2006 partially to see the wind turbines...
                     2. rireads · 1789624803 · focus · HN ↗

                        Yikes
               2. desterothx · 1789559375 · focus · HN ↗

                  Yes I have no problems with them looks-wise. They don't build them on parking lots/factory roofs because of efficiency. Good solar panels follow the sun, which isnt really a mechanism practical to setup in a parking lot. maintenance is also a lot easier if you have one field generating a gigawatt of power vs having to service 20 parking lots that generate a gigawatt of power. Also obviously the land itself is cheaper in the countryside. Renewables are operating on relatively thing margins profitability wise, so you really want to make the juice worth the squeeze (the main value being sovereignty from other countries as discussed in the thread)
               3. timbit42 · 1789753171 · focus · HN ↗

                  I like solar panels and windmills because they bring a lot of freedom from oil, an unstable and sometimes scarce commodity, even if the solar and turbines are purchased from China.
         3. _ink_ · 1789558037 · focus · HN ↗

            Not as much as 4°C temperature increase will do.

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