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1. aliasxneo · 1791145670 · focus · HN ↗

   I lived in a smaller rural town near a Google datacenter. During my career there I had routinely come across some outlandish accusations made about our water/power usage from the locals. But for obvious reasons I could never dispute them. I remember we hired a local who'd grown up in the town and he was "really surprised" when he started to see what we were doing to remain efficient.

   The current data center craze just feels like the same thing but on a bigger scale.

   1. adastra22 · 1791151050 · focus · HN ↗

      Those reasons aren’t obvious to me. Why not just be transparent if that’s the case?

      1. ssss11 · 1791151976 · focus · HN ↗

         Yep - better off redacting the great efficiencies we’re doing.
      2. monocasa · 1791152134 · focus · HN ↗

         Google considers pretty much everything in hwops to be a trade secret. The point is to keep the specifics unknown as much as possible from competitors; the public at large's knowledge is just collateral damage in that fight.

         1. dietr1ch · 1791152365 · focus · HN ↗

            If they are so good at it, they should push to make that the bare minimum and get to hold all future datacenter permits.
         2. thayne · 1791153214 · focus · HN ↗

            What benefit could competitors get from that information?

            1. esafak · 1791154228 · focus · HN ↗

               The ability to improve their data centers, of course. Google is the company that launched data centers with commodity components.
            2. shadowgovt · 1791154623 · focus · HN ↗

               It tells them exactly how much they have to invest in hardware buildout to stay competitive with Google in terms of raw compute.

               This is right up there with being able to predict a competitor's total manufacturing capacity for the next year because you have hard numbers on their raw material purchase.

            3. bryan_w · 1791156253 · focus · HN ↗

               It doesn't even have to be competitors their suppliers would love to know the total amount of widgets that they'll be buying. That way they know if they're the single supplier
            4. washadjeffmad · 1791164342 · focus · HN ↗

               A friend accidentally told me not just how many servers Google was deploying for Bard, but what they were putting in them and the volume of the scale up.

               A competitor with that information might have made a rush on a supply-constrained component market or negotiated longer term pricing agreements.

            5. motoboi · 1791173789 · focus · HN ↗

               The strategic advantage, by definition, is something you, as a company, don't know what it is. If you know, then people leaving your company take the information to competition and the it's not strategic nor advantage anymore.

               So, given that you don't know what makes your company better then the competition, it's better to hide everything you can so you don't accidentally disclose useful information. God forbid competition discover your own strategic advantage before you do.

         3. shadowgovt · 1791154430 · focus · HN ↗

            And this one in particular is a high-ticket trade secret; it has been for decades, long before the AI push.

            Power and water consumption number revelation goes directly to ceiling on maximum compute and relative compute efficiency. It's handing to every competitor on the planet (including China) "Hey, here's the raw situation on how far along we are on our total capacity to do anything."

            ... whether this should be a trade secret (since power and water are both shared resources with the surrounding community) is a reasonable question, but in the ecosystem where it is, Google having this data public and their competitors not is a problem.

      3. aliasxneo · 1791155259 · focus · HN ↗

         This was more than a decade ago. Back then, the data center didn't even have public signage because Google was trying to be so secretive. Things have changed significantly since then and a lot of data is now published publicly.

         1. kube-system · 1791169177 · focus · HN ↗

            Very few datacenters run by companies of any size, large or small, have signage.

            Companies put signs on buildings so you can find them. Signs are important for retailers or offices where people need to find it. This isn't really the case for a data center. Data centers typically have a sign with simply the address of the building on it, so delivery drivers can find it. Any sort of a sign with branding is a waste of money at best, and a security liability at worst.

            Even if you aren't worried about intentional security threats to your data center, you don't want the name of your company on it, because people will start showing up at the gate there instead of your primary business location.

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