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Car is a smartphone on wheels. Here's who's listening

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  1. zenapollo · · focus · HN ↗
    The world IS getting mass surveillance. The havens for privacy are shrinking. We are becoming the ants in the ant farm.

    One thing i don’t understand is how pro-surveillance advocates don’t understand that the moment they are not behind the terminal, they are the target.

    1. mancerayder · · focus · HN ↗
      I've never met anyone who's 'pro surveillance'. I've met ad tech executives and Googlers, though. Have you spoken to them about the world that's been built?
      1. kube-system · · focus · HN ↗
        It's typically labelled "tough on crime" or "pro police"
        1. _heimdall · · focus · HN ↗
          I really dislike such politically motivated names. People do generally use those terms to promote surveillance, but I can 100% support strong policing (meaning well funded police investigations and community outreach) without abandoning my own rights.

          I do want police to be able to investigate potential crimes that our society collectively agreed we don't want to happen. I don't want to give up my rights to privacy, protections against search and seizure, etc.

          1. kube-system · · focus · HN ↗
            Both perspectives are inherently political in nature, the nomenclature used is simply representative of the origin perspective.
            1. _heimdall · · focus · HN ↗
              "Pro police" and "tough on crime" don't accurately describe a view that is actually pro surveillance.

              The two former terms are political in nature because they don't accurately describe what they are supporting and instead attempt to put lipstick on a pig, as it were. Sure you could argue that "pro surveillance" is political, and technically any term can be made political, but it does describe the actions being promoted.

              1. kube-system · · focus · HN ↗
                I agree, because we share a desire to protect privacy rights. But the topic itself is political, regardless of position or the supposed validity of that position. Fighting for privacy rights is a political position.
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