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Car is a smartphone on wheels. Here's who's listening

208 points · 139 comments · longhaul

  1. longhaul · · focus · HN ↗
    There are no specific opt outs. Either you allow everything or navigation doesn’t work etc.
    1. Lio · · focus · HN ↗
      I was looking at Renault electric cars recently.

      I was pleased to that you can use the navigation with a data collection opt-out. I was less pleased to see that they sneaked a "safety and maintenance" clause into the terms. The information they gather for that gets shared with insurance companies, social networks and data brokers.

      There's no hiding in modern car it seems. I was hoping for better from a French company operating under GDPR but no.

      You can't win, with all the car companies pulling this crap it's like fighting a surveillance cartel.

      The only thing to do is keep my old car for as long as possible.

      1. buzer · · focus · HN ↗
        I don't think it's legal in EU. ePD essentially forbids reading information from the terminal equipment (like car) unless it's "strictly necessary in order for the provider of an information society service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user to provide the service". Even "safety and maintenance" would be hard to classify as strictly necessary for navigation.

        Of course to enforce it you would need to complain to regulator in your country who then likely just tells them to stop it and that decision becomes effective years later after appeals. Many countries don't even fines for ePD violations.

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