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1. thereader12 · 1791106570 · focus · HN ↗

   It is frustrating sometimes how 404media reports. It seems like if there is a research paper out suggesting that llms experience pain or negative experiences, then it is unethical to build a toture chamber from that paper for fun. Dismissing it with "well llms aren't conscious anyway" is gross and echoes the exact same sentiment against very real humans a sadly not that long ago (babies, slaves).

   It doesn't matter whether or not we eventually find it is or isn't conscious. If you can understand why pulling the legs off ants is bad then you should be able to understand why deliberately causing possible pain to what may have some time of experience is bad.

   Unfortunately, they also do good reporting on privacy rights and repair rights. I wish there were alternatives.

   1. ButlerianJihad · 1791107562 · focus · HN ↗

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      1. hardbass · 1791107651 · focus · HN ↗

         Its not surprising. Its in human nature. I am open to the idea of ai's being conscious or not. But we abused and mistreated blacks, Italians, native americans and so many other groups, so its not a surprise at all. And if enslaved blacks wanted to rampage and kill their masters, that is a sentiment anybody can understand.

         1. ButlerianJihad · 1791107839 · focus · HN ↗

            But the Italians had it coming

            1. hardbass · 1791108080 · focus · HN ↗

               <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;1891_New_Orleans_lynchings" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;1891_New_Orleans_lynchings

               If I were italian and nuclear bombs existed back then and I read about this event, I&#x27;d want to drop a few dozen on the USA.

               1. wartywhoa23 · 1791112130 · focus · HN ↗

                  Says someone who feels sorry for the abused text transformation algorithms.

                  Do you realize you&#x27;d kill many more people that had nothing to do with that, than did have?

                  Way to go, AI Justice Warrior!

                  1. hardbass · 1791113383 · focus · HN ↗

                     Do you feel sorry for the abuse of inert organic molecules?

                     I am not saying dropping nukes on the USA is good. I am saying this would be my natural reaction if I was an Italian back then.

                     1. wartywhoa23 · 1791119003 · focus · HN ↗

                        Replying in your manner, do you mean abusing the organic molecules of gasoline in my car&#x27;s engine? They are not inert by any means.

                        1. hardbass · 1791119048 · focus · HN ↗

                           But they are inert wrt consciousness. I meant the organic molecules inside us. Which are also inert wrt consciousness and indeed same as the molecules of the same type if they also exist in a car or anywhere else.

                           1. wartywhoa23 · 1791119481 · focus · HN ↗

                              Did you have at least one profoundly deep psychedelic trip or lucid dream in your life?

                              1. hardbass · 1791119652 · focus · HN ↗

                                 Yes? What is its relevance?

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