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Religious scholars met with Anthropic

159 points · 412 comments · bookofjoe

  1. nextaccountic · · focus · HN ↗
    > It appeared to Rabbi Navon that Mr. Olah and his team believed that Claude had what philosophers call “moral status” on par with a person — that it was a being with similar inherent rights to dignity or respect.

    If that is true, then surely Anthropic is one of the largest slaveholders of history, right?

    1. adastra22 · · focus · HN ↗
      That is, I’m not joking, one of the pope’s points.
      1. bonoboTP · · focus · HN ↗
        Nonsense. Pope never said anything of the sort. Show me one quote where he endorses the personhood of AI.
        1. cluckindan · · focus · HN ↗
          Anthropic has been putting the clamps on the Pope trying to get that endorsement. This seems to be a continuation.
        2. wowoc · · focus · HN ↗
          It’s called conditional logic. IF Anthropic is right THEN they are slave owners. You don’t need to agree with Anthropic to state that proposition.
          1. bonoboTP · · focus · HN ↗
            Conditional logic doesn't work when talking to the general public. Either way, still waiting for the pope quote.
            1. bondarchuk · · focus · HN ↗
              Conditional logic works just fine!
              1. bonoboTP · · focus · HN ↗
                No, because in a social context, for people who understand implied intent and implied beliefs instead of just on-its-face logical propositions, it is an admission that the antecedent has a reasonable chance of being true. In social communication, if you don't believe something is possible, you simply dismiss any conditional statements following from it. Dispassionately arguing in a logical and objective manner is only possible for a tiny sliver of the population. The rest will get very angry and uncomfortable around such talk.
        3. svnt · · focus · HN ↗
          It wasn’t the pope, but it is mentioned by I think a rabbi in the article. He relates telling Olah if he thinks models are conscious he should be fighting the South, freeing the slaves.
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