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Federal judge calls Flock 'indiscriminate mass surveillance'

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  1. JKCalhoun · · focus · HN ↗
    License plate reader?

    So the device should require very specific license plates to scan for—not the current dragnet. The software should only "ping" when there is a confident match with said license plate(s)—and merely log which license plate, time stamp a single photo, and note the confidence level of it being a match.

    The frame buffer should be the only place (a frame of) video is ever stored at all (excepting the high-confidence match indicated above).

    The only issue remaining would be whether we trust the device/software to have complied (and not have a backdoor) and of course there needs to be a legal warrant for every license plate uploaded (and it should expire fairly frequently, likely requiring a new warrant to continue canning for the plate).

    1. kennywinker · · focus · HN ↗
      That is a technical solution to a problem that has a far cheaper, and less easily abused solution: don't put up cameras at all.

      Building a system with "safeguards" in place that require constant oversight is destined for either regulatory capture of the oversight, or slow dismantling of the oversight.

      E.g. warrants -> fisa court warrants -> Xkeyscore

      1. JumpCrisscross · · focus · HN ↗
        > don't put up cameras at all

        There seems to be a real reduction in property crime in some places with cameras. I don’t think it’s realistic to take these down everywhere. (I was in the camp that they should go down everywhere. I’ve relaxed that position recently.)

        1. kennywinker · · focus · HN ↗
          We found that by putting all humans in cages with no ability to contact eachother or interact with the outside world crime fell to almost zero.
          1. warkdarrior · · focus · HN ↗
            Not a bad idea. Just launched a company around that concept, with a full range of cage options. I bet ICE will subcontract to us.
            1. marcosdumay · · focus · HN ↗
              Does the tower where Gandalf is kept in Lord of the Rings have a name? Is the .com still available?
              1. kennywinker · · focus · HN ↗
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