If the author is reading this, I did a ctrl-f in your writeup for "battery" and "life" and didn't find anything specific about how long the batteries on these last. Can you elaborate a bit more on the battery types in use and lifespan? Charging? Since use lithium? 18650? CR2032 or CR2477 size coin cells? Any other details would be very interesting to read.
My biggest barrier to doing something like thins in my home automation setups is that I already have an extensive schedule of things that need periodic disposable battery changes (like CR2477 cells in zigbee humidity/temperature sensors), and I'm really hesitant to add even more into my house. In addition to things like battery-backed smoke detectors in every bedroom, etc, which need periodic 9V replacements on a schedule.
In fact I've started looking at going the opposite direction, where I can run a cat5e cable from my utility room, down and across the ceiling of my basement, and come up in a location where I can install an 802.3af to arbitrary DC voltage DC-DC converter (3.3, 5VDC, 12VDC out, or similar) as a PoE splitter, to make some of these things not dependent on batteries. Same idea as how you can find 9V or AA battery to direct DC wiring "dummy battery" battery eliminators now. Obviously such an approach wouldn't work for garbage bins but that's how much I am trying to eliminate having dozens of batteries to replace, as they're already all over the place with window and door sensors.
> In addition to things like battery-backed smoke detectors in every bedroom, etc, which need periodic 9V replacements on a schedule.
Just as aside, lithium-battery powered smoke detectors are a godsend. The battery lifespan lasts the recommended life span of the detector, i.e. around 10 years.
No battery replacements needed, although you still ought to test them once in a while.
In Scotland, building regulations now mandate sealed-in lithium batteries (and interlinking) on fire alarms. Which is annoying, given most smart systems still have replaceable batteries.
The local regulations around here require those smoke detectors. I can attest that they do indeed last the full 10 years. They seem to have a timer because exactly 10 years after activation it starts complaining several times per day.
However one downside is that they also can't be turned off (by design) and the hush function on the ones I've tried (two models, both from Kidde) has been defective. No matter if I repeatedly press it, hold it, it doesn't care. It says hush mode then immediately blast again.
I destroyed the first one because it was night time and I have neighbors. Now I put them in the freezer. Next time I'll get another brand!
> (two models, both from Kidde) has been defective [...] Next time I'll get another brand!
Probably a wise choice. In Wirecutter's review of basic smoke alarms they have this to say about Kidde:
>> With placement on the shelves of Home Depot, Kidde is the most prominent competitor to First Alert. Their most up to date line of smoke alarms is called Detect and they have models with features similar to the recommended First Alerts. The downside is that Kidde's overall track record is, in a word, disturbing. In 2021, the company recalled 226,000 smoke and combination smoke/CO alarms. In 2018, they recalled more than 450,000 dual-sensor smoke alarms. In 2016, another recall involved 3.6 million smoke/CO alarms. In 2014, another 1.2 million smoke and smoke/CO alarms were recalled. In addition, since 2005, Kidde has enacted four separate fire extinguisher recalls of 470,000 units (2005), 167,000 units (2009), 4.6 million units (2015), and 37.8 million units (2017). In early 2021, a federal judge ordered Kidde to pay a $12 million civil penalty “in connection with allegations that the company failed to timely inform the Consumer Product Safety Commission about problems with fire extinguishers manufactured by the company.” For these reasons, we can’t in good conscience recommend any Kidde products to our readers.
>> Although First Alert is not immune to recalls (it recalled nearly 150,000 smoke alarms and combination smoke/CO alarms in 2006 and roughly 600,000 fire extinguishers in 2000), none of them are recent or on the scale of what Kidde has had to do.
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My biggest barrier to doing something like thins in my home automation setups is that I already have an extensive schedule of things that need periodic disposable battery changes (like CR2477 cells in zigbee humidity/temperature sensors), and I'm really hesitant to add even more into my house. In addition to things like battery-backed smoke detectors in every bedroom, etc, which need periodic 9V replacements on a schedule.
In fact I've started looking at going the opposite direction, where I can run a cat5e cable from my utility room, down and across the ceiling of my basement, and come up in a location where I can install an 802.3af to arbitrary DC voltage DC-DC converter (3.3, 5VDC, 12VDC out, or similar) as a PoE splitter, to make some of these things not dependent on batteries. Same idea as how you can find 9V or AA battery to direct DC wiring "dummy battery" battery eliminators now. Obviously such an approach wouldn't work for garbage bins but that's how much I am trying to eliminate having dozens of batteries to replace, as they're already all over the place with window and door sensors.
criemen · · focus · HN ↗
Just as aside, lithium-battery powered smoke detectors are a godsend. The battery lifespan lasts the recommended life span of the detector, i.e. around 10 years. No battery replacements needed, although you still ought to test them once in a while.
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However one downside is that they also can't be turned off (by design) and the hush function on the ones I've tried (two models, both from Kidde) has been defective. No matter if I repeatedly press it, hold it, it doesn't care. It says hush mode then immediately blast again.
I destroyed the first one because it was night time and I have neighbors. Now I put them in the freezer. Next time I'll get another brand!
tzs · · focus · HN ↗
Probably a wise choice. In Wirecutter's review of basic smoke alarms they have this to say about Kidde:
>> With placement on the shelves of Home Depot, Kidde is the most prominent competitor to First Alert. Their most up to date line of smoke alarms is called Detect and they have models with features similar to the recommended First Alerts. The downside is that Kidde's overall track record is, in a word, disturbing. In 2021, the company recalled 226,000 smoke and combination smoke/CO alarms. In 2018, they recalled more than 450,000 dual-sensor smoke alarms. In 2016, another recall involved 3.6 million smoke/CO alarms. In 2014, another 1.2 million smoke and smoke/CO alarms were recalled. In addition, since 2005, Kidde has enacted four separate fire extinguisher recalls of 470,000 units (2005), 167,000 units (2009), 4.6 million units (2015), and 37.8 million units (2017). In early 2021, a federal judge ordered Kidde to pay a $12 million civil penalty “in connection with allegations that the company failed to timely inform the Consumer Product Safety Commission about problems with fire extinguishers manufactured by the company.” For these reasons, we can’t in good conscience recommend any Kidde products to our readers.
>> Although First Alert is not immune to recalls (it recalled nearly 150,000 smoke alarms and combination smoke/CO alarms in 2006 and roughly 600,000 fire extinguishers in 2000), none of them are recent or on the scale of what Kidde has had to do.