Perhaps look at the case from another perspective.
Ask if, since they used public money to create these, what public benefit was produced by it.
If you can have them admit, or can prove, no public benefit, it's misspent public funds.
If it's misspent public funds then its public reimbursement at the least for all the works they have scanned as a minimal response.
You could argue the case the directors are liable for incompetence, or possibly criminality for knowingly misappropriating the public funds or contempt of court for earlier cases.
When faced with this as a more serious charge, the museum may then choose to simply release the documents to settle the case. You may not even have to prove anything.
IANAL but have been involved in (other country) public council appeals.
The scans guide conservation work, concerving the statues is a public benefit.
Whilst I think on balance the scans should be public; it is more important that the FOI laws strike a perfect balance of enabling efficient administration whilst shinning enough light to reduce corruption.
I would not want museums to be reluctant to create scans and archives that compromise their short term funding models if they are useful for conservation.
The purpose of conservation in this case is for the public good, else it would be a private collection and hoarded.
To say they are useful for conservation is to say it's for the public, there is afaics no separation of concerns here unless you're arguing the museum should act a private collector in its conservation?
To counterpoint your next argument that the conservation using this material must be handled by specialists, yes it should, if they were casts of bones etc and are themselves genuinely rare and difficult to replicate.
Digital goods are only rare by virtue of the body holding them not making copies... By acting in a private capacity.
In my opinion it is more important that FOI laws are balanced even if that dosn't ensure the outcome I would prefer of giving the public access to the scans.
It is so strange to see people volunteer imaginary explanations for the Rodin Museum's behavior and motives. It is understandable, though, since the museum refuses to make any public comment on the case or its policies. In court, however, the Rodin Museum itself says it does not use its scans for conservation: in its many court filings it was adamant that it did not use its scans for any purpose whatsoever and that the scan documents were of such low quality as to be useless. They told the court they had to search for them in response to my request. Their scans do not guide any conservation work: they sit idle on DVDs in a locked filing cabinet.
I presume that when you read the article, you missed the part about the "written applications for public funding to produce [the] scans" -- which the author alleges the Rodin Museum falsely denied having submitted?
Whenever I explain this case I really do my best to make it perfectly clear that the Rodin Museum solicited and received public funds from the Ministry of Culture for the express purpose of 3D scanning its collection. This public financing is not (any longer) a state secret. And yet one thing in this world is certain: if you ask the Rodin Museum to comment on its operations or any public policy issue, they will make sure to mention that they are "self-funded"...
And, IMO, Auguste Rodin's wishes (real or imaginary) are utterly irrelevant. I don't mean to dismiss the sentiment motivating people's desire to respect an artist's perceived wishes, but in practical terms they are usually, and in this case definitely and in every respect, completely irrelevant.
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Ask if, since they used public money to create these, what public benefit was produced by it.
If you can have them admit, or can prove, no public benefit, it's misspent public funds.
If it's misspent public funds then its public reimbursement at the least for all the works they have scanned as a minimal response.
You could argue the case the directors are liable for incompetence, or possibly criminality for knowingly misappropriating the public funds or contempt of court for earlier cases.
When faced with this as a more serious charge, the museum may then choose to simply release the documents to settle the case. You may not even have to prove anything.
IANAL but have been involved in (other country) public council appeals.
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Whilst I think on balance the scans should be public; it is more important that the FOI laws strike a perfect balance of enabling efficient administration whilst shinning enough light to reduce corruption.
I would not want museums to be reluctant to create scans and archives that compromise their short term funding models if they are useful for conservation.
SillyUsername · · focus · HN ↗
To say they are useful for conservation is to say it's for the public, there is afaics no separation of concerns here unless you're arguing the museum should act a private collector in its conservation?
To counterpoint your next argument that the conservation using this material must be handled by specialists, yes it should, if they were casts of bones etc and are themselves genuinely rare and difficult to replicate.
Digital goods are only rare by virtue of the body holding them not making copies... By acting in a private capacity.
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More important than what? What is a perfect balance?
This is not a good way of stating an opinion about what one should value.
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However storing them idle in a locked filing cabinet for a conservationist to reference in 100 years may well still be valuable.
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It is self-funded. Public, but self-funded.
So this has nothing to do with misspent public money.
The Rodin Museum is a piece of jewel in Paris that exists only because Rodin himself decided for things to be run that way on his deathbed.
The wish of the artist overrules the wishes of random people that "consume" his work.
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And, IMO, Auguste Rodin's wishes (real or imaginary) are utterly irrelevant. I don't mean to dismiss the sentiment motivating people's desire to respect an artist's perceived wishes, but in practical terms they are usually, and in this case definitely and in every respect, completely irrelevant.
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