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LeCun has "zero concerns" about AI wiping out humanity, recent "rogue" incidents

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stratos123 · 1791107241 · focus · HN ↗
LeCun also said back in 2022 that "if you train a machine, as powerful as it could be, your 'GPT-5000', on text", it will never be able to learn basic common-sense physics like that objects placed on tables will move along with them.
1. lolpplrdum · 1791111943 · focus · HN ↗
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  1. azan_ · 1791113960 · focus · HN ↗
    People like him have actual imagination and can name few scenarios where sudo kill -9 pid wouldn't work. It appears lack of imagination is something you and LLMs both share.
    lolpplrdum · 1791114182 · focus · HN ↗
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    azan_ · 1791115120 · focus · HN ↗
    I'm sorry but in this comment you did not make a single argument for your position.
    > What you and he does share is simple ability to think things through to the extent of understanding how ridiculous the AI will kill us scenario will be.
    Why is it ridiculous?
    > If you just thought for a moment what would have to happen for AI to somehow kill us and keep itself alive, the so called AI would realise it cant exist without us.
    Why would it realise that, why wouldn't it exist without us and why would it care?
    > But AI isnt even smart, its just a knowledgebase with great autocorrect powers.
    Ah yes, the stochastic parrot, gotcha.
    lolpplrdum · 1791124305 · focus · HN ↗
    Who do you work for Azan? You seem to be very insistent that AI will kill us?
    But let me entertain your ignorance and low IQ for a bit.
    Do you think AI is capable of building ASML machines which produce the chips for AI in clean rooms while shipping the pure helium required to operate those clean rooms? Do you even know anything about these supply chains? I do.
    Do you think a glorified knowledge base that can predict text very well is anywhere near close this level of intelligence? ITs not and wont be, not for a 100 years, not for 200 years if not ever.
    So tell me, who do you work for? Why are you so invested in AI killing us theory? What do you get out of it?
    azan_ · 1791125094 · focus · HN ↗
    Please refrain from ad personam arguments and provide actual support for your point of view. Everything you've written so far is just an assumption.
    > Do you think AI is capable of building ASML machines which produce the chips for AI in clean rooms while shipping the pure helium required to operate those clean rooms? Do you even know anything about these supply chains? I do.
    Today? No. In few years or decades? If progress does not plateau (and we don't know if it will plateau) then obviously yes.
    > Do you think a glorified knowledge base that can predict text very well is anywhere near close this level of intelligence? ITs not and wont be, not for a 100 years, not for 200 years if not ever.
    And why do you say it won't be? Again - assumption with zero support.
    > So tell me, who do you work for? Why are you so invested in AI killing us theory? What do you get out of it?
    I'll repeat what I've said in other comment:
    "> you seem to be very invested in AI wanting to kill us.
    Quite contrary - I wish AI did not exist or at least that the progress would plateau.
    > I Wonder why?
    Because I don't want to die.
    > Tell us who you work for.
    I suspect you want to imply I work for OAI or other lab - I don't. If I did, I wonder why would I want to lie* that technology I develop could kill my investors. I could ask who YOU work for - what interest do you have in downplaying dangers of AI?
    * here we assume that people who say AI could be extremely dangerous are lying and not actually believing it - personally I believe that they don't lie and actually believe it. Why do they keep working on this technology then? Read mails between Musk and Altman from decade ago."
    lolpplrdum · 1791131892 · focus · HN ↗
    The fact that you think AI will, in a few decades, be capable of building ASML EUV machines, including supporting the supply chains and the fabs that make all that happen, means I can rest my case. Evolution will take care of people like you before AI does. You need to see a therapist, stress less, and find another industry to be involved in. You are not made for tech buddy.
    azan_ · 1791132379 · focus · HN ↗
    > The fact that you think AI will, in a few decades, be capable of building ASML EUV machines, including supporting the supply chains and the fabs that make all that happen, means I can rest my case.
    AI solved millenium problem and multiple problems that resisted mathematical efforts for decades. I rest my case. I'm sorry but you are clearly in denial. I get it, I really do, I would like AI to be as useless and weak as you try to make it out to be, but unfortunately it's pure copium that's in conflict with reality. I suggest you find another industry to be involved in - there's plenty of areas where reality does not matter that could be better fit for you. Or well, if it makes you feel any better keep lying to yourself that it's just stochastic parrot or that progress has plateaued or whatever new copium you come up with.
    lolpplrdum · 1791135567 · focus · HN ↗
    <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_priority_controversy" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_priority...
    Continue to live in your delusion Azan. OpenAI didnt solve it and nor would I trust a snake like Sam Altman but the fact that you do, speaks volumes. There is a lot more to story than you know but you seem like a very creative and imaginative person that can come up with predictions that will come true.
    The fact that most researchers call LLM 'stochastic parrots' and also agree that they wont lead to AGI, and that the only ones who think they do have a commercial interest in parading that story, should be enough for you but hey, I am sure you know better. I work in the industry, what do you do?
    Continue brother in your world of delusion, you must be fun at parties.
    dang · 1791138810 · focus · HN ↗
    You also broke the site guidelines more than once in this thread. We need people to follow the rules here even when others (such as the account we banned) are doing worse!
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    azan_ · 1791138920 · focus · HN ↗
    Sorry about that!
    dang · 1791138694 · focus · HN ↗
    We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines.
    Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with!
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