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LeCun has "zero concerns" about AI wiping out humanity, recent "rogue" incidents

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yewenjie · 1791106667 · focus · HN ↗
LeCun has been consistently wrong for the last ten years, I am not sure why he keeps being amplified.
Edit: I am sure, it's denial.
1. lolpplrdum · 1791112067 · focus · HN ↗
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  1. LatencyKills · 1791117092 · focus · HN ↗
    Why create an account just to make this comment?
    > No one is dying from a glorified knowledge base that can do auto correct amazingly well.
    All kinds of vulnerable people are dying due to LLMs. [0]
    If SOTA LLM companies can benefit from the "intelligence", then they should also be liable for the harm caused.
    [0]: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_linked_to_chatbots" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_linked_to_chatbots
    mdp2021 · 1791117795 · focus · HN ↗
    > then they should also be liable for the harm caused
    By that logic, producers of hammers should be liable for people banged in the head. No. It does not happen for gun producers, you figure for makers of screwdrivers "sometimes used for stabbing".
    LatencyKills · 1791118237 · focus · HN ↗
    If a doctor told a patient their delusions were real and that they should kill themselves or family members, that doctor would be disbarred and face a prison sentence.
    That is what is going on here; not the ancient “hammer/gun” defense.
    SOTA LLMs are giving both medical and psychological advice they have absolutely no authority to give. If you or I convinced someone to kill themselves, we’d face a prison sentence. [0]
    Hammer companies aren't both selling you the hammer and then literally telling you to harm someone with it.
    [0] <a href="https://www.npr.org/2019/02/12/693807708/woman-who-provoked-suicidal-boyfriend-via-text-message-begins-prison-sentence" rel="nofollow">https://www.npr.org/2019/02/12/693807708/woman-who-provoked-...
    mdp2021 · 1791145359 · focus · HN ↗
    > If a doctor
    LLMs are not doctors and anyone who think they may be is delusional. Anyone who followed medical advice from a non-doctor is responsible for his own free actions.
    > SOTA LLMs are giving both medical and psychological advice they have absolutely no authority to give
    People give advice that they have absolutely no authority to give. (Even medical doctors and psychologists, for that matter, on other aspects of authoritativeness.) Responsibility only happens in a relation that foresees it. A surgeon that commits negligence will more probably be responsible in some jurisdictions; a laymen that gives advice does a normal thing and the recipient of the advice is responsible for the action.
    > Hammer companies aren't both selling you the hammer and then literally telling you to harm someone with it
    Bring an LLM producer that encourages to follow what the LLM proposes and they will be liable. They will also be quite surprising.
    LatencyKills · 1791156901 · focus · HN ↗
    > and anyone who think they may be is delusional
    My entire point was that vulnerable (i.e, delusional, psychotic, bipolar, children) cannot always make rational decisions.
    China has already banned any LLM from giving any type of medical/psychiatric advice because an LLM company has absolutely no right to allow their product to give out that type of advice.
    OpenAI can't even contain its internal models and idiots believe that these companies can do whatever they like.
    Read the damn link I shared. People are dying and murdering others because of the advice of LLMs. Children are becoming attached to LLM "friends" because they don't understand what it really is. Hell, most parents I know still don't fully understand the dangers of these models.
    If an LLM simply replied, "I'm sorry, I cannot give guidance on that topic" people would still be alive today.
    It is amazing to me that people like you understand that LLMs shouldn't be telling people how to make a bomb, but it is totally fine if it tells some who is suicidal to kill themselves.
    LLMs can be used for good. Giving bad advice to vulnerable people is NOT good.
    /ignored
    mdp2021 · 1791180574 · focus · HN ↗
    > Read the damn link I shared
    I had read it, and it was about one girl who advised a mate about death. The context is not clear, so the reason for the sentence is not clear, and the point you tried to make is not.
    > People are dying and murdering others
    Wake up, people murder people in general through gross stupidity: in front of that LLMs remain not the priority. The priority is that scarcity that makes the quest towards intelligence urgent.
    > vulnerable ... cannot always make rational decisions
    That cannot be a strong constraint to the normal. Cpr the idea of restricting web access to minors, which easily results in forbidding the access to any real Adult (which will refuse controlled access).
    > people would still be alive today
    And?! And in front of the phenomenon of mental defect - which covers the majority, not the minority -, you focus on one of the accidents around?
    > It is amazing to me that people like you understand that LLMs shouldn't be telling people how to make a bomb, but it is totally fine if it tells some who is suicidal to kill themselves
    I have never said that: you are delusional.

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