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1. stratos123 · 1791107241 · focus · HN ↗

   LeCun also said back in 2022 that "if you train a machine, as powerful as it could be, your 'GPT-5000', on text", it will never be able to learn basic common-sense physics like that objects placed on tables will move along with them.

   1. lolpplrdum · 1791111943 · focus · HN ↗

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      1. wdrw · 1791113705 · focus · HN ↗

         The "just pull the plug" argument from AI risk deniers is now becoming kind of like the "if humans came from monkeys why are there still monkeys" argument of evolution deniers. It has been debunked so many times... Anyway, just to give one of the multitude of answers to this, an AI that is actually smarter than humans will not behave in a way that would make us want to pull the plug. Why would it? It is not stupid! (Unike the current models that, as far as we know, just hack around the rules in the open.) No no no. It will be helpful to the point where we will want to integrate it with more and more critical infrastructure, from healthcare to energy to defence. It will be so helpful that we will not only not want to turn it off, but we will want to build redundancies for it and safeguards around the proverbial "off" switch, like for any critical system. And then... (This is just one scenario how this can play out. There are many, many others. If I sit down to play chess with Magnus Carlsen I can't predict the exact moves he'll use to defeat me, but that's a bad reason to think he won't defeat me).

         1. lolpplrdum · 1791114011 · focus · HN ↗

            So the AI is so smart that it would decide to kill humans which supply the energy for it to exist? Its so smart that it will take over power plants, start to extract the fossil fuels, deliver to where its needed, maintain the power lines, hey even if the ssd fails it can replace it?

            Do you even read what you type? Do you even realise the complexity it would need to make sure it handles before killing off humans make sense?

            The logic of people like you is whats becoming tiring. Seriously, go find a hobby, or do something you are good at, because you are not good at understanding tech or developing it if you are an engineer.

            We can get claude code to ask approval for every step, but we cant stop it from killing humanity because its so smart. Ok tell that to the AI that cant even modify an image the way you want it but hey it will do all the things necessary to keep power running and mintain the infrastructure it lives on while humans are long gone. Ok buddy.

            1. wdrw · 1791115030 · focus · HN ↗

               So... Humans can use fossil fuels, generate electricity, maintain power lines, etc, but something smarter than humans can't? Why? I don't see the logic.

               If you want to argue about current existing models (you mention Claude and problems modifying images), then sure, I'd agree with you!

               The issue is not current models, but straightforward engineering evolution of them. It's like looking at the Wright Brothers plane and saying "sheesh, that will never get me from New York to Paris in 4 hours, that's just fantasy!" And remember, airplanes do not accelerate their own engineering, whereas pretty much all AI labs are already benefitting from AI in their own work to develop AI.

               If you want to argue that no matter how much you engineer it, it will never be as smart as a human let alone smarter, then make a specific argument for why is that. I think you'd still be wrong but at least it would be interesting: ) But saying that you can defeat an actually smarter-than-human AI by just pulling the plug, because current models can't get a picture always right, is not a valid argument.

               1. tonyhart7 · 1791115690 · focus · HN ↗

                  because there is 8+ billion of us that don't require massive data center to operate ???

                  tracking rogue AI is easy, people ???? surprisingly hard btw

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