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Former SR-71 engineer talks NASA's Blackbird revival program

113 points · 76 comments · rkagerer

gaigalas · 1791086277 · focus · HN ↗
When I see this, I can only think of modern high-altitude balloons. My gut tells me the SR-71 would be an ideal interceptor for that new threat (despite not being an interceptor itself).
The balloon issue cannot be addressed by any modern US aircraft, and spending expensive missiles on low cost balloons seems like wasting money and resources.
We'll know soon.
1. nradov · 1791092151 · focus · HN ↗
  The SR-71 was never designed as an interceptor, and would require extensive modifications to carry and employ weapons. Not going to happen. There was an earlier YF-12 interceptor program but it never proceeded beyond the prototype stage.
  High-altitude balloons are hardly a new threat. They have been used for decades, although some recent Chinese models are more capable than before. Regular tactical aircraft already in the US inventory are perfectly capable of shooting them down.
  <a href="https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3288579/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/" rel="nofollow">https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3288579/f-22...
  1. gaigalas · 1791093268 · focus · HN ↗
    Current aircraft is not capable of reaching those balloons, read my other commentary. Your link points to a Chinese balloon that dropped way below its operational range.
    SR-71 or not, there are already contracts for filling this niche:
    <a href="https://www.war.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/4613098/contracts-for-sept-28-2026/" rel="nofollow">https://www.war.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/4613098/... (search for "swamp gas").
    If money is flowing to counter/develop high-altitude balloons and declared as urgent, it's likely it's flowing in more than one vein.
    The frame modifications you mentioned are already specified and tested, part of the YF-12 programme. It can easily carry air-to-air missiles instead of reconnaissance equipment, and the frame has flown with that configuration.
    <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YF-12" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YF-12
    nradov · 1791094017 · focus · HN ↗
    AIM-120 range and altitude upgrades have been in the works for many years, and balloon defense is a relatively low priority mission. It will also be supplemented by the new AIM-260 which has greater capabilities. The primary goal of those programs is to achieve greater stand-off range versus near-peer adversary aircraft.
    The YF-12 prototypes looked superficially similar to the SR-71 but had substantially different airframes. There is simply no place in an SR-71 to mount the necessary weapons, sensors, and avionics without completely rebuilding the entire aircraft. That would be a stupid waste of resources when existing platforms can already accomplish the mission well enough.
    gaigalas · 1791094638 · focus · HN ↗
    What are you talking about? The YF-12C was a converted SR-71. It flew exactly as I'm describing. All of this has already been done before.
    You might be confusing the YF-12 with the A-12, which is related but a significantly different airframe.
    I won't engage in discussing whether balloons are high priority or not. Let the 2023 events and the funding towards those areas speak for themselves.
    nradov · 1791134985 · focus · HN ↗
    What are you talking about? The "YF-12C" designation was not a combat aircraft. It was a fake designation slapped on a regular SR-71 that NASA used for flight testing in order to hide the secret origins of the program. There was never a real YF-12C.
    You might be confusing the fake YF-12C with the real YF-12A. Both designs were derived from the original A-12 and look superficially similar but are internally quite different. There is no practical way to modify an SR-71 to carry and employ weapons. I mean it would be like trying to convert an F/A-18F into an F/A-18G: not technically impossible but so complex and expensive as to be utterly pointless. If the SR-71 ever actually flies again it will be used for nothing more than aerodynamic tests.
    gaigalas · 1791135398 · focus · HN ↗
    <a href="https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/yf-12a-yf-12c-flight-formation-dawn/" rel="nofollow">https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/yf-12a-yf-12c-flight-form...
    > Ultimately, 935 became the workhorse of the program, with 146 flights between 11 December 1969 and 7 November 1979. The second YF-12A, 936, made 62 flights. It was lost in a non-fatal crash on 24 June 1971. It was replaced by the so-called YF-12C (SR-71A 61-7951, modified with YF-12A inlets and engines and a bogus tail number 06937).
    nradov · 1791135994 · focus · HN ↗
    Right, the YF-12C was a fake designation for one SR-71 and not capable of carrying or employing any weapons.

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