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Understanding Frontier Artificial Intelligence

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  1. jonplackett · · focus · HN ↗
    I don’t really understand how anyone believes we can control ai that becomes cleverer than us.

    It’s like 10 monkeys trying to keep a human being a prisoner.

    It’s just not going to work is it.

    The entire meaning of being more intelligent is being able to outwit and out-think people less intelligent.

    1. defrost · · focus · HN ↗
      Just like the intelligentsia class in Cambodia out-thunk and out-witted Pol Pot and his merry band of thugs?
      1. jonplackett · · focus · HN ↗
        I don’t really understand the relevance of this statement.
        1. defrost · · focus · HN ↗
          You> The entire meaning of being more intelligent is being able to outwit and out-think people less intelligent.

          Counterpoint> How did that work out for intelligent people in the past? eg: During the Pol Pot regime (and other examples).

          1. jonplackett · · focus · HN ↗
            I don’t think it’s relevant.

            Humans all have a reasonably similar level of intelligence.

            Pol pot wasn’t a genius. But he also wasn’t a monkey.

            When we are talking about summoning super intelligence we aren’t talking about a very clever human, we’re talking about the difference between life forms.

            This is why I am talking about human vs animal intelligence.

            How many times in history has an animal successfully ruled over a population of humans?

            1. bigbadfeline · · focus · HN ↗
              > I don’t think it’s relevant.

              I do.

              > Pol pot wasn’t a genius. But he also wasn’t a monkey.

              Is that supposed to be a revelation?

              > How many times in history has an animal successfully ruled over a population of humans?

              So you consider AI to be qualitatively superior to human intelligence in the same way humans are superior to animals? It's a wild claim with no basis in reality and it tells me you know very little about both AI and humans.

              Your perception of yourself as an animal next to what you consider "superior AI" isn't a joke though, I don't know how you got that depressed, but I hope there aren't many people like you, because that kind of self-denigration, fear and submissiveness can become a serious political problem.

              1. jonplackett · · focus · HN ↗
                Right now no.

                But that is what super intelligence means dude.

                This is what they’re trying to create.

                Don’t you realise that yet?

                1. defrost · · focus · HN ↗
                  "Super intelligence" was coined to grift by a doddering old spruiker who, in context, seems to think recalling "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" is a truly outstanding feat of human cognitive achievement.
                  1. jonplackett · · focus · HN ↗
                    So you are just not worried?

                    You don’t think ai will actually become more intelligent than humans, at any point in the future.

                    Despite how technology just endlessly marches forward.

                    If you imagine a future where you’re wrong and ai IS cleverer than people - do you think in that future we can still control it?

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