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  1. simondotau · · focus · HN ↗
    I have absolutely no reason to think Cloudflare is a covert CIA operation. In fact, I’m sure there are plenty of good reasons to think it isn’t. But if it were, pretty much everything it does is exactly what you'd expect from one.
    1. Joker_vD · · focus · HN ↗
      Of course it's not a CIA operation — that agency is foreign intelligence agency. The domestic intelligence agency is called NSA.
      1. 9dev · · focus · HN ↗
        Two branches from the same trunk with their leaves touching. The boundaries are pure show.
      2. groomlake · · focus · HN ↗

          NSA's mission, as outlined in Executive Order 12333 in 1981, is to collect information that constitutes "foreign intelligence or counterintelligence" while not "acquiring information concerning the domestic activities of United States persons".
        – Wikipedia

        Whether they abide by that is another matter.

        1. michaelt · · focus · HN ↗
          <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(2001%E2%80%932007)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(...
          1. Joker_vD · · focus · HN ↗
            Well, you see, Your Honor, when the foreign entities do the spying inside the US, they inevitably become one side in the domestic activities of United States persons. So it&#x27;s only reasonable to conclude that this part of the Executive Order is null and void.
      3. gigatexal · · focus · HN ↗
        Other than platforming some of the worst people on the web … a lot of the stuff coming out of Cloudflare has been really awesome. No egress fees R2 is top of mind.
      4. arcanemachiner · · focus · HN ↗
        Well, their operations are (intended to be) foreign... But that hasn&#x27;t stopped them from selling drugs to American to raise money for their operations.

        Also the NSA is a &quot;signals intelligence&quot; agency... Wouldn&#x27;t the FBI be the local analog to the CIA? Or maybe the DHS?

      5. bladeacidic · · focus · HN ↗
        Well, the problem with that is then you have to deal with the legalities of the USA. What you do instead is have the UK (and a couple other eyes, up to five or eighteen) do the spying on Americans, and in exchange, the Americans will spy on the UK. All perfectly extra-legal.
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