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GrapheneOS has fixed the Android 17 QPR1 kernel performance regression

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mmooss · 1790974594 · focus · HN ↗
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1. palata · 1790980773 · focus · HN ↗
  > But they often choose to denigrate others, which is destructive, damages relationships
  It used to be like that (and to be fair, all the similar communities were contributing to the drama, not just GOS), I agree, but I genuinely feel like it has become a lot more professional lately. Like I haven't seen drama in... at least 6 months?
  Now I almost exclusively see them explain their technical decisions, which is very interesting.
  1. fsflover · 1791020172 · focus · HN ↗
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    subscribed · 1791025269 · focus · HN ↗
    Why do you even call the detailed, verifiable claims about a product a "drama"?
    So it's impossible now to list the bad features or shortcomings without come one calling drama?
    Why do you call it drama?
    fsflover · 1791033874 · focus · HN ↗
    One thing is to present the advantages of your system. Entirely different thing is to enter every discussion of alternative systems saying they have "atrocious" security. Also, the second link is an empty accusation, as it has no proofs.
    subscribed · 1791041415 · focus · HN ↗
    They have listed a very long, concrete list of issues with Fairphone in the (sub)thread about Fairphone.
    A very long list of severe issues. This is not presenting the advantages, it's listing of the problems.
    When did that become a "drama", and not a fact-based criticism?
    Re: second link - I don't have time to waste on digging through the code, I'd rather count pebbles in my garden, but I'm happy to bet £100 that it's fully facts based. I didn't even comment on the second link previously, BTW.
    fsflover · 1791106370 · focus · HN ↗
    > I'm happy to bet £100 that it's fully facts based
    Quote:
    > a random identifier, generated on your device the first time it boots (a random UUID prefixed with anon), used to pick the wave.
    > About this identifier:
    > it is random: it is not computed from the IMEI, the serial number, the MAC address, an account or any other data of your device or of you;
    > it is not linked to any account: you do not need an account to use /e/OS and the Updater does not know about it;
    > it is reset by a factory reset: after one, your device gets a new identifier and is considered a new device;
    > it is used to pick the wave.
    <a href="https://doc.e.foundation/os/learn/staged-rollout/" rel="nofollow">https://doc.e.foundation/os/learn/staged-rollout/
    No evidence that it is used or can be used for tracking. The accusation is strongly overstated. (You can keep your £100 though.)
    subscribed · 1791124188 · focus · HN ↗
    GOS>> /e/ does have services collecting data on their users which isn't disclosed including user tracking via unique identifiers in the update client.
    > a random identifier, generated on your device the first time it boots
    So it's a persistent, unique identifier, is it?
    > No evidence that it is used or can be used for tracking.
    It's even worse than Google's Advertising ID that at least can be easily reset.
    > The accusation is strongly overstated
    > (You can keep your £100 though.)
    I don't think how you disproved anything. You even confirmed the phone ID is immutable until factory reset.
    I was talking about all four claims.
    GOS>> They also spent years sending user speech data to OpenAI without informing users beyond fine print in the terms of use.
    Here's the discovery by the user and confirmation from the owner of the project: <a href="https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using-open-ai/70509/10" rel="nofollow">https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using...
    (This is sharing users' biometric data with third party without express consent, then shared further with unspecified )
    GOS>> It's presented as not using Google services but has a whole bunch of Google services with privileged access enabled by default.
    <a href="https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm" rel="nofollow">https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm
    GOS>> It even downloads and runs Google Play executables such as droidguard by default with privileged access far beyond the regular app sandbox.
    <a href="https://doc.e.foundation/os/learn/calls-to-google-servers/" rel="nofollow">https://doc.e.foundation/os/learn/calls-to-google-servers/
    I believe it also enables Safetynet checks by default which downloads and executes proprietary code straight from Google.
    So you didn't disprove the first one and you didn't touch remaining three.
    I'll keep my £100 indeed.

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