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ICC judge on what U.S. sanctions mean for her and global courts

229 points · 173 comments · rbanffy

  1. Drupon · · focus · HN ↗

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    1. anon291 · · focus · HN ↗
      Europeans have a superiority complex in believing their law is 'international'. It's not. American law rests on a joint agreement among the governed. The American people have never agreed to be governed by a foreign court.
      1. laimewhisps · · focus · HN ↗
        I'm American and I never once agreed to any of our laws. Countries have a monopoly on violence, that is it. You can agree, disagree and try to survive or hope some other country will let you immigrate.

        That being said, I think the vast majority of Americans are ok with the ICC holding people committing genocide accountable. Most Americans also do not like the influence Israel has on our country and these sanctions are just yet more proof that we are occupied and not even operating in our government's own interests.

        1. anon291 · · focus · HN ↗
          I don't like Israel TBH. I just don't need foreigners telling the American government who to arrest. The American law enforcement authorities should be following American laws and American court edicts.
          1. laimewhisps · · focus · HN ↗
            While I don't agree, I would say your argument would be to ignore the ICC, not to sanction it. Why would we care if Benjamin Mileikowsky is arrested in Paris? We're doing exactly what you said you don't like: letting a foreign country (Israel) dictate our policy.
            1. anon291 · · focus · HN ↗
              If Great Britain were to lay claim to Alaska, America would be totally within its right to sanction the UK. The ICC lays claim to jurisdiction over American citizens in violation of the sovereignty of the nation of the United States (which is, in the American understanding, in violation of the sovereignty of the people of the United States to rule themselves).

              The ICC is free to operate as long as they don't claim to have jurisdiction over Americans living and doing stuff in America.

              1. laimewhisps · · focus · HN ↗
                Benjamin Mileikowsky is not an American citizen, he’s a Polish person occupying Palestine. He has nothing to do with the US.
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