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1. JSR_FDED · 1790962306 · focus · HN ↗

   This is at once thuggish and petty. If the US Govt doesn’t recognize the ICC then…don’t? Going after individual judges is mafia tactics.

   It’s also guaranteed to backfire - no judge who by definition deeply believes in the mission and legitimacy of the ICC is going to be deterred by these tactics.

   1. jeroenhd · 1790963091 · focus · HN ↗

      The ICC issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu because of the genocide Israel is committing, that's what upset the Americans. I doubt even Trump would go this far if it wasn't for that.

      1. PorciiVorbesc · 1790964164 · focus · HN ↗

         > that's what upset the Americans

         Which Americans? I think it just upset only the Zionists, Epstein class, members of congress bought and paid for by Israel(AIPAC) including the US presidential administration, plus the boomers who've been brainwashed by decades of Zionist propaganda on TV, but I imagine a large part of US voter base, especially under-35s, don't agree with this if polled.

         At least every American I know in Europe(not a representative sample size, I know) is vehemently against supporting what Israel is doing.

         1. ElevenLathe · 1790964604 · focus · HN ↗

            While there is arguably still some influence from democratic pressure on some areas of US Federal policy, foreign policy and warmaking (including financial warfare like this) are not among them. These have been insulated from public opinion since approximately the the 1940s. It took a massive organization against the draft to (arguably, possibly, maybe -- we'll never really know) shorten the Vietnam war (which, incidentally, was never declared a War by the democratically elected Congress), and that was the high water mark of democratic influence on the security state since WW2.

            In short, the opinion of Americans is just not relevant to America's foreign policy decisions. Even a 100% anti-Zionist Congress would be unable to stop supporting the genocide.

            1. klaff · 1790966022 · focus · HN ↗

               >Even a 100% anti-Zionist Congress would be unable to stop supporting the genocide.

               Yes, they would be able to if the majority party actually wanted to. Trump could be impeached for so many things I can't count. It's not happening because Republican members of the house and senate don't want to or are afraid to.

               1. ElevenLathe · 1790966230 · focus · HN ↗

                  It would take a LOT of house cleaning in the DoD, making the current Hegseth purge look cute by comparison.
         2. llm_nerd · 1790965666 · focus · HN ↗

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            1. PorciiVorbesc · 1790965777 · focus · HN ↗

               >Every American is 100% culpable for everything their government does.

               I disagree. I'm EU citizen and I am not culpable for everything my and the EU government does, because while being democracies on paper, I don't get to directly vote on the leadership of the EU(Ursula) nor the individual policies of my country and the EU decide to take, especially on external politics, which are often against my choices, but I have no say in it.

               Sure, I can try to vote those people out, but that means a delay of at least another election cycle(provided the majority is on my side), in which time they can legally keep doing what I don't want them to do.

               My point is, democracy isn't some magic wand that does the peoples' wishes at current time, but has plenty of flaws known and documented since the ancient greeks.

            2. klaff · 1790966264 · focus · HN ↗

               > are HNers aware that the US has changed to a first strike nuclear policy, coupled with Trump now having tactical, low-yield nukes as an accepted policy?

               Source?

               1. frm88 · 1791025858 · focus · HN ↗

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