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The Four Horsemen of Agentic Coding

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  1. chanux · · focus · HN ↗
    > Agents weaken the social fabric of engineering teams by reducing interpersonal communication, increasing self-reliance, and hindering skill expression.

    I have a feeling that this is true and it's a bit sad.

    1. CobrastanJorji · · focus · HN ↗
      What's been driving me nuts recently is when coworkers send me clearly AI-generated blocks of text in otherwise-human conversations. Like I'll ask in a chat window "hey, Jim, what's the difference between these two deployment pipelines," and I'll get back a block of text with markdown and headings in the style of our team's AI, and I get this sad feeling where I thought I was going to be having a conversation with a colleague, but instead my colleague was just playing as a chinese room.
      1. intrikate · · focus · HN ↗
        There's a particular sting to being passed raw, unfiltered output from the LLM hose. I think you're onto something with the mismatch in expectations (I was expecting a conversation that led to insights we might both share, and the other party was expecting to answer a question quickly without much thought).

        I think there's something deeper than that, too. Almost a feeling of betrayal? I cared in part because I thought everyone else cared, too, like we were working towards a common goal. Asking a question in search of shared understanding only to be passed the modern equivalent of a LMGTFY link hurts in a very particular way. I thought they cared about this, too, but they're only trying to get the bag. I get it, times are difficult right now, but it doesn't make it hurt less.

        1. PeeMcGee · · focus · HN ↗
          The LMGTFY link is an outstanding analogy.
        2. LeafItAlone · · focus · HN ↗
          > only to be passed the modern equivalent of a LMGTFY link hurts in a very particular way

          Apt analogy, because if you are asking questions that can be answered with the AI equivalent of a Google search, you are wasting someone else’s time.

      2. timdiggerm · · focus · HN ↗
        Have you said "If I wanted the AI's response, I would have asked the AI"?
        1. v64 · · focus · HN ↗
          And the response back will be "If you could've asked the AI, why did you ask me then?"

          In some cases, it may even be the appropriate response. Interrupting somebody to ask something that could be cleared up by an AI is in the same ballpark as asking them something that could be cleared up if you read the docs.

      3. kif11 · · focus · HN ↗
        "meat proxy" they call it in Bay Area slang dictionary.
      4. mathisfun123 · · focus · HN ↗
        Doesn't this indicate your "colleague" was a dbag to begin with and they were only paying lip service (literally) to being colleagues?
      5. chanux · · focus · HN ↗
        And it quickly puts a "Let me Google that for you" feeling in the air, but stronger. It discourages you form asking again.
      6. ryandrake · · focus · HN ↗
        I must be lucky or work in a great company, because I've never seen this, and I think it would be totally unacceptable for a coworker to even think about doing this. What kind of horrible company culture normalizes this kind of behavior?

        I wonder if this toxic "Why are you talking to me? Just RTFM or ATFLLM (ask the fucking llm)" attitude can be filtered out during interviewing.

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