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The Legend of von Neumann (1973) [pdf]

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  1. srejk · · focus · HN ↗
    When you look at it holistically, von Neumann was more influential in science and mathematics in the 20th century than either Einstein or Planck. He wasn't as obvious a symbol of the scientific revolution, but his contributions to SO MANY THINGS at a fundamental level makes him stand out to me.
    1. tomrod · · focus · HN ↗
      Nash's game theory dissertation was something von Neumann considered obvious and not particularly noteworthy, if I remember my lore right. He was among the first game theorists, focusing more on collaborative games than pure strategic/competitive games.

      Einstein built on the shoulders of Riemann, Gauss, and others when considering the universe might be non-Euclidean!

      All brilliant people, many singular minds of great repute, yet, all improved by the rest.

      1. anthonypasq · · focus · HN ↗
        another famous piece of Von Neumann lore is that he constantly advocated nuking the Soviets.
        1. sillysaurusx · · focus · HN ↗
          I was wondering if someone would mention this.

          It's interesting how much worse off the world would be if the smartest people were in charge of it.

          What ultimately blocked his nuke proposals? (Why didn't anyone listen?) I'm curious about whatever failsafe that was.

          1. hn_acc1 · · focus · HN ↗
            Not sure that it would be worse than letting the other end of the spectrum be in charge of it, as we've seen..
            1. IAmBroom · · focus · HN ↗
              We can't know.

              As an extreme example, antisemitism was so commonly palatable that an open admirer of Hitler, Charles Lindbergh, was a very serious candidate for the presidency.

              Today, open antisemitism can get one's career derailed in much of the world. Would that be true without the eye-opening shock that the news of the concentration camps produced?

              IN NOW WAY was the Holocaust forgivable, but we simply cannot say if the world today would be "more moral on average" or "less moral on average". Maybe Jews would feel and be far less safe today in predominantly Christian countries. Maybe not.

              All we can say for certain is that the horrors enacted upon the Holocaust victims were evil. As we can surely say that murdering many millions of people living in the USSR would be.

              1. leonidasrup · · focus · HN ↗
                Nazism had lot of supporters in the US in the 1930s, before WW II.

                <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nazism_in_the_Americas" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nazism_in_the_Americas

                And even after WW II

                <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;National_Socialist_White_People&#x27;s_Party_(NSWPP)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;National_Socialist_White_Peopl...

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