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On social reality in China

255 points · 261 comments · thicTurtlLverXX

  1. HeavenFox · · focus · HN ↗
    I am Chinese living in America.

    All the authors observations ring true, and they all stem from one simple fact: China was a very poor country just forty years ago, and even today is only a middle income country.

    The uncomfortable truth is a lot of the things westerners take for granted are, in fact, luxuries. Arts and creativity is a luxury. Freedom to pursue passion is a luxury. Compassion is a luxury. Self-esteem is a luxury. If you barely have enough food to feed your family, as a significant number of Chinese people were in the 60s and 70s, you cannot afford any of these.

    China has grown richer at a remarkable rate, but the mentality shift can take generations.

    1. 10000truths · · focus · HN ↗
      > Arts and creativity is a luxury. Freedom to pursue passion is a luxury.

      Sure.

      > Compassion is a luxury. Self-esteem is a luxury.

      No. These are virtues, not luxuries. You don't need a high income to be compassionate or have self-esteem.

      1. phoe-krk · · focus · HN ↗
        > No. These are virtues, not luxuries. You don't need a high income to be compassionate or have self-esteem.

        It's not about you, it's about others around you. If they do not have a "high income" (or, in other words, materially comfortable life), you cannot expect them to be comfortable enough to be compassionate or have self-esteem. And then, if they don't, but you do, it's an easy recipe for your compassion to be exploited and your self-esteem to be perceived as danger. It's a self-leveling system.

        It's not an individual matter, but a social one. Always has been.

        And it's not specific to China - I see it in Poland, a relatively "we've been damn poor forty years ago" country as well.

        1. IncreasePosts · · focus · HN ↗
          This flies in the face of my own experience travelling all over the world, where the poorest people would offer me extreme generosity and not accept anything in return.

          Maybe it's bias because I'm an "exotic" white guy in many areas and not just a random down on their luck average guy from their own region.

          I've also been offered generosity by rich people, as well, but, I will generalize, that mainly came after I demonstrated some proof that I didn't actually need their generosity

          1. alightsoul · · focus · HN ↗
            Maybe it's country dependent. I have seen what you describe in countries where christianity is the dominant religion and most people in those countries something like 70 to 80 percent identify with it. And religion in those places is most prevalent among the poor, so much so there is a direct relationship between poverty and religion, the more religious, the poorer.
            1. daymanstep · · focus · HN ↗
              In my personal experience, religiosity correlates with the appearance of kindness but not the actual act of kindness.
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