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On social reality in China

255 points · 261 comments · thicTurtlLverXX

  1. toolsmax · · focus · HN ↗
    I'd like to argue that different generations of Chinese people might have drastically different characteristics, because of how quickly life changes here.

    I'm a native Chinese person born around the new millennium, and some of the observations in this article seem to apply only to specific generations.

    "Dark World thinking as described in Truth or Dare": I personally don't feel this at all. But this mentality does apply to many people over 70.Some of the elderly people I met are mean and selfish by today's standards, but considering they might have literally survived a starvation, this shouldn't be that surprising.

    "Primacy of social reality, and of shame and “face.”: I don't know about this. Maybe because I grew up in this environment, I am used to the social norm and don't find it uncomfortable at all. Yet I haven't lived abroad for a long time, so I don't know how different it is somewhere else.

    "Chinese social media is like American junk food.": Basically true. Social platforms can be atrocious, but there are rational and comfortable circles. They tend to stay low though, since popularity usually destroys them. But I'd argue that this is the same anywhere on the internet.

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    2. alex0015 · · focus · HN ↗
      I (an American with a lot of interest in China) was playing doudizhu with some Chinese friends recently. It was agreed that the losers would have to kowtow to the winner instead of paying money. I was on the losing side and it meant nothing to me, while even in a private, joking setting it was apparently a very uncomfortable thing to have to do for my teammate. See also the general cultural attitude toward doing something embarrassing as a "punishment" for losing a bet or game, something fairly unknown in the US.
      1. numeri · · focus · HN ↗
        What does kowtow mean here? Say the other person is better than them?
        1. Terr_ · · focus · HN ↗
          I assume they mean a physical, in-person card game, which would suggest it means bowing to the winner so that your head touches the ground.
      2. t0mpr1c3 · · focus · HN ↗
        > doing something embarrassing as a "punishment" for losing a bet or game, something fairly unknown in the US.

        Spin The Bottle? Truth or Dare?

        1. alex0015 · · focus · HN ↗
          Great counterexamples! These are specifically part of the game, whereas in Chinese culture it seems to be more like "let's play a defined game with winner and loser, and in order to motivate you not to be the loser, we'll agree that the loser do something embarrassing." Like in the US when I would play recess games as a kid, if you lost, you just lost with nothing at stake. Also we're all in our thirties instead of kids playing truth or dare.
    3. morkalork · · focus · HN ↗
      The bit about why one would want to be a doctor. Money, status, approval... helping sick people (hysterical laughter). Is exactly how my millenial Chinese colleagues that came to North America to study in university are like.
    4. OroPla · · focus · HN ↗
      > Some of the elderly people I met are mean and selfish by today's standards, but considering they might have literally survived a starvation, this shouldn't be that surprising.

      My grandfather survived starvation and much, much worse things during and after WWII (in Russian captivity). He died of old age a long time ago, but was a very kind and not at all selfish person.

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