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F.02 Decommission

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  1. devy · · focus · HN ↗
    I don't know if the X survey for how to decommission F.02 was staged or not. But

    I do know this: having anthropomorphizing and romanticizing your dumb robots for so long like a soap opera from your founder's feed, and now staged this "humanized" robot incinerated in a melting pot EXACTLY like Terminator franchise's ending plot and EVEN hiring Arnold Schwarzenegger for a cameo, is giving me full goosebumps, NOT the right ones.

    I hope Brett Adcock realize that the Terminator franchise is literally the p(doom) outcome, not just in the names only.

    EPIC FAIL in your marketing stunt!

    1. dyauspitr · · focus · HN ↗
      I thought it was pretty great.
      1. adastra22 · · focus · HN ↗
        Have you any empathy?
        1. modeless · · focus · HN ↗
          For robots that have no pain receptors, nor a unique brain? Zero.

          If I personally felt no pain and had an identical clone body that my brain could be instantly transferred to when my current body was destroyed I might jump in there myself! Just to see what it's like. Why not? And in that circumstance I wouldn't expect nor want you to feel sorry for me either.

          1. adastra22 · · focus · HN ↗
            LLMs have pain signals: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2609.16247" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;2609.16247
            1. modeless · · focus · HN ↗
              These robots do not contain frontier LLMs. Robot control policies are not trained to avoid most types of things that could damage them. They have no innate aversion to heights or cutting or burning or poisonous animals as humans do. They have no instinct for self-preservation at all. So regardless of whether you want to argue that frontier LLMs have a subjective experience of pain analogous to humans, these robots definitively do not.
              1. adastra22 · · focus · HN ↗
                You can find similar work in Anthropic model cards. Not pain, specifically, as I expect internal Anthropic review wouldn&#x27;t have allowed such experiments, but they report pretty much identical emotional responses indicative of anger and frustration. The pain paper afaict is a repeat of the work Anthropic did &amp; reported in their model cards, but for pain.
                1. modeless · · focus · HN ↗
                  Not sure who you&#x27;re talking to. Nothing you said is relevant to my comment.
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