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DeepSeek Harness Desktop for macOS and Windows

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  1. scuppernong · · focus · HN ↗
    <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;frontierharness.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;frontierharness.org&#x2F; allegedly this is on the Pareto frontier, though I don&#x27;t know how good of a benchmark this really is. it seems to focus on one-shot type tasks, whereas the real utility of one harness over another seems to make itself known in long running tasks.

    also this is a very limited static snapshot with one model as backend, I wish there were more consistently refreshed and diversified harness benchmarks.

    1. cdelsolar · · focus · HN ↗
      i&#x27;ve seen &quot;Pareto frontier&quot; literally 500 thousand times in the last two weeks or so, and maybe once or twice before that. Can someone please explain what happened recently
      1. zinoc · · focus · HN ↗
        In case people need a refresher on what the Pareto frontier is, this article does a great job explaining it (with Mario Kart!): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mayerowitz.io&#x2F;blog&#x2F;mario-meets-pareto" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mayerowitz.io&#x2F;blog&#x2F;mario-meets-pareto
        1. pu_pe · · focus · HN ↗
          Everyone started using the term after that article came out, it feels like...
          1. thethirdone · · focus · HN ↗
            It would appear from google trends [0] this is roughly right (the article came out in 2024), but it was popular in books [1] 15 years earlier.

            [0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trends.google.com&#x2F;trends&#x2F;explore?date=all&amp;q=pareto%20frontier" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;trends.google.com&#x2F;trends&#x2F;explore?date=all&amp;q=pareto%2...

            [1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.google.com&#x2F;ngrams&#x2F;graph?content=pareto+frontier" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.google.com&#x2F;ngrams&#x2F;graph?content=pareto+frontie...

            1. dualvariable · · focus · HN ↗
              I would guess that the article came out because the term was getting popular in AI&#x2F;LLM circles for measuring LLM cost-for-performance metrics. It was probably riding the meme up the wave, rather than fundamentally triggering it.
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