To be fair, when it is good people copy anyway. All companies do benchmarks and analysis of competitors. The criticism of china was that you sent them a thing go produce and your design would appear somewhere else which could essentially bankrupt you business.
That said, I have the impression this still exists but is less and less relevant for them to keep doing it.
China is the one saying nations should gather and stop doing poo-poo decisions to economy while another one keeps saying that everyone else but them is evil.
I honestly think this scarcity and shortages are all artificial and caused by the same group of people. They don't even fake anymore
This does not relate to what I posted, but if you want to know: The trouble with China from the perspective of American foreign policy is not about copying intellectual property (Japan did that through the 1970s until Reagan put sanctions on them).
Since Nixon opened the door to China, American policy has been based on the idea that a strong Chinese economy which lifted a billion people out of poverty would lead, inexorably, to Chinese Democracy. This would make China not only a trading partner, but an ally with an interest in protecting human rights and democratic ideals.
You can laugh at this notion, but this is really what Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Clinton believed would happen...
Around the time the Chinese government shot its protesters in Tiananmen Square, it started to become obvious to some that the CCP was capable of enriching itself and improving the economic circumstances of its subjects in a way that would still prevent any sort of free speech or free action for its population. In fact, it even increased the enslavement of its denizens using the money and technology we had provided.
Our intention was to make China a middle class nation, because we believed that a middle class nation would ultimately rebel against a dictatorship and demand the same kind of human rights and liberties that we demand, or Europe demands, as nations of economically free individuals, families and competing corporations. But that did not happen. Instead, we seem to have accidentally fed the dictatorship.
That is the true state of affairs in US/China relations. Both sides know it. We would prefer Chinese democracy. The CCP's only interest is in maintaining its own absolute power.
Whatever reference you're making to "the same group of people" is foolish and ridiculous if you understand even a tiny bit of the history of what was attempted in the economic opening of US markets to China. Which was supported by every US tech corporation, even after it became clear that the CCP was essentially supplying slave labor, and that there would be no political upside to offshoring our industry there.
And it is clear now that, given the opportunity to become a free nation, it was China which failed to give its citizens rights, and which failed to launch a free political debate about its own future. This has led to internal stagnation and absurd expenses on militarization with no benefit for the people. It is socialist in name only, the only "socialist" country in history which doesn't even attempt to provide any services for its people, nor any democratic path to change its governmental structure.
In the long run, communist China is just another dynasty nearing the end of its mandate from heaven. But there are those of us who think that China could be a country whose wealth and power would triple overnight if the economic prosperity were coupled with political and individual freedom as we have in the West. And we would not be unhappy to see a liberated, free, powerful China which respected human rights and individual freedom. In fact, most of us would line up to live there or do business there. This is no slander against the Chinese people, or any wish to see them repressed. Just the opposite. We want to see them free. We want China to be an ally who has a rule of law similar to Western nations, for its own people and in foreign affairs. A general rule of thumb is: Democracies don't go to war with each other.
That all being said, I understand you were just trying to inject some lousy conspiracy minded antisemitism here, and you're not really anyone worth talking to; I'm just writing this for whoever else comes along and reads it.
That wasn't my critique. What I wrote had nothing to do with China, or copying. Also nothing to do with govt backdoors in bios chips or routers.
I don't want to install some software that exfiltrates all my passwords. Just because some hardware backdoors may already exist, how on earth does that mean I should stop caring what software I give root access to?
A basic rule of security is that no system is 100% secure, not even if it's air gapped and 1km underground. Your job is not to say "well fuckit, let's download this shady software because nothing is safe anyway." It's to prevent opening any holes you can prevent opening, and do your diligence on anything you can mitigate, because stopping 99% of threats is better than stopping 98%. Or in this case, much better than straight up allowing unknown people to root your server.
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Meanwhile there is an american backdoor in your bios, cpu and router
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That said, I have the impression this still exists but is less and less relevant for them to keep doing it.
China is the one saying nations should gather and stop doing poo-poo decisions to economy while another one keeps saying that everyone else but them is evil.
I honestly think this scarcity and shortages are all artificial and caused by the same group of people. They don't even fake anymore
I don't know...
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Now you don't need to send them the design, a LLM can reproduce it from photos :)
noduerme · · focus · HN ↗
Since Nixon opened the door to China, American policy has been based on the idea that a strong Chinese economy which lifted a billion people out of poverty would lead, inexorably, to Chinese Democracy. This would make China not only a trading partner, but an ally with an interest in protecting human rights and democratic ideals.
You can laugh at this notion, but this is really what Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Clinton believed would happen...
Around the time the Chinese government shot its protesters in Tiananmen Square, it started to become obvious to some that the CCP was capable of enriching itself and improving the economic circumstances of its subjects in a way that would still prevent any sort of free speech or free action for its population. In fact, it even increased the enslavement of its denizens using the money and technology we had provided.
Our intention was to make China a middle class nation, because we believed that a middle class nation would ultimately rebel against a dictatorship and demand the same kind of human rights and liberties that we demand, or Europe demands, as nations of economically free individuals, families and competing corporations. But that did not happen. Instead, we seem to have accidentally fed the dictatorship.
That is the true state of affairs in US/China relations. Both sides know it. We would prefer Chinese democracy. The CCP's only interest is in maintaining its own absolute power.
Whatever reference you're making to "the same group of people" is foolish and ridiculous if you understand even a tiny bit of the history of what was attempted in the economic opening of US markets to China. Which was supported by every US tech corporation, even after it became clear that the CCP was essentially supplying slave labor, and that there would be no political upside to offshoring our industry there.
And it is clear now that, given the opportunity to become a free nation, it was China which failed to give its citizens rights, and which failed to launch a free political debate about its own future. This has led to internal stagnation and absurd expenses on militarization with no benefit for the people. It is socialist in name only, the only "socialist" country in history which doesn't even attempt to provide any services for its people, nor any democratic path to change its governmental structure.
In the long run, communist China is just another dynasty nearing the end of its mandate from heaven. But there are those of us who think that China could be a country whose wealth and power would triple overnight if the economic prosperity were coupled with political and individual freedom as we have in the West. And we would not be unhappy to see a liberated, free, powerful China which respected human rights and individual freedom. In fact, most of us would line up to live there or do business there. This is no slander against the Chinese people, or any wish to see them repressed. Just the opposite. We want to see them free. We want China to be an ally who has a rule of law similar to Western nations, for its own people and in foreign affairs. A general rule of thumb is: Democracies don't go to war with each other.
That all being said, I understand you were just trying to inject some lousy conspiracy minded antisemitism here, and you're not really anyone worth talking to; I'm just writing this for whoever else comes along and reads it.
noduerme · · focus · HN ↗
I don't want to install some software that exfiltrates all my passwords. Just because some hardware backdoors may already exist, how on earth does that mean I should stop caring what software I give root access to?
A basic rule of security is that no system is 100% secure, not even if it's air gapped and 1km underground. Your job is not to say "well fuckit, let's download this shady software because nothing is safe anyway." It's to prevent opening any holes you can prevent opening, and do your diligence on anything you can mitigate, because stopping 99% of threats is better than stopping 98%. Or in this case, much better than straight up allowing unknown people to root your server.