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DeepSeek Harness Desktop for macOS and Windows

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  1. ElProlactin · · focus · HN ↗
    I wish there was a tool I could use to share my documents, activity, etc. directly with the world's major intelligence agencies.

    A marketplace, where the different intelligence agencies could evaluate the value of my digital stuff and then offer me something (like a $5 gift card to Olive Garden), would be really nice.

    1. kvirani · · focus · HN ↗
      I don't get it
      1. rapind · · focus · HN ↗
        I think they’re saying they would rather use Muse or Dots.
      2. npn · · focus · HN ↗
        He thinks his ideas are still valuable and wants to sell them somehow.
        1. Sabinus · · focus · HN ↗
          How comfortable are you sending a copy of every AI session transcript you generate to: 1) Me 2) The Chinese government 3) The US government
          1. Quothling · · focus · HN ↗
            Being Danish I'd probably rate it China > you > US. Realistically though, I'm probably sending everything to everyone except for you.

            I rate the US last because the US government shares information with European governments, so it's the most likely to affect me. I wrote this next to my dishwasher though, and if it's anything like those LG tv's it probably identified what I wrote from the keystroke sounds or something.

          2. thenthenthen · · focus · HN ↗
            I live in China, they already have everything, especially when using appl products. It is basically mandatory here since privacy is a completely different concept here (not sure its even a concept here tbh. Although there are some privacy laws)
          3. TeMPOraL · · focus · HN ↗
            Totally.

            Why the fuck would I care? The spooks definitely won't. I'm one person on a planet of 8 billion.

            I think people don't appreciate the scale of that. A person is like a pixel on a 4k screen, in a wall that's made of many screens (about 5 in case of my country, about 42 in case of the US). Nobody cares what the single pixel does. It's not even visible unless it's so broken it doesn't change the same way surrounding pixels do.

            I have a feeling that all this privacy obsession is actually a reaction to the unconscious feeling of irrelevance at this scale. In their minds, people defy the fact they're just sand for the systems of modern civilization - no, they are the very special ones, each fancies themselves a player among billions of NPCs, and to prove their uniqueness and specialness, they want to hide that fact from other NPCs, and get annoyed at the notion the world may indeed discover they are special.

            Nothing else makes sense. Not in the west at least, where the only realistic threat from loss of privacy is getting weirder ads (hint: a real power move is to start with ad blocking and removing ads - and ad-infested media sources - from your life).

            Now, loss of control over your daily life and your computing devices, that's another story. But most people don't seem to care about those.

            1. GreenWatermelon · · focus · HN ↗
              You're talking about privacy from governments, which I agree os an overblown concern unless you're some sort of political activist/dissident.

              However, privacy from mega corpos is an entirely different matter, because they CARE about you(r data) and rather than a pixel, you're a fully fleshed out record in their gigantic databases and they use this data to profit off of you, in multiple ways that all can be described as "scamming you out of money" by way 0f perfecting the art of selling you shit you don't need.

              And then you have the wannabes, mid-sized corpos with security postures so poor every hacker and their grandmother has your data, for the sole purpose of scamming your own grandmother.

        2. ElProlactin · · focus · HN ↗
          Not really. But if I had a choice, I'd prefer that I get a third of an appetizer at Olive Garden rather than Zuck et. al. getting all the cheddar.

          Is that really too much to ask for?

      3. TeMPOraL · · focus · HN ↗
        Deep inside they're realizing that the whole privacy thing is overblown obsession, and nobody actually cares about their data, and they wish someone did, but clearly no one does, not even $5 gift card for everything there is to know about one.
    2. postsantum · · focus · HN ↗
      Yes! A real marketplace of ideas with automatic matching, like you can see who has the same ideas as you

      Reminds me of some magic device from childrens book, don't remember its name, was like a glass ball where you could see what other people are up to

      1. throwawayqqq11 · · focus · HN ↗
        In the gemini thread, there was someone (rightfully) impressed, how it gdb'ed onto a kernel module and debugged iouring. All the harnisses i used ran atleast an ACL away from private files and juicy capabilities. Wtf is happening in the community?
        1. itgoon · · focus · HN ↗
          Not that long ago, the joke was about grandparents installing every available toolbar into IE and getting hacked because "oh, neat! I want that!" without thinking about it.
          1. rootsudo · · focus · HN ↗
            25 years ago is a long time...gneration or two
      2. TeMPOraL · · focus · HN ↗
        Yeah, I know that one, but I actually looked into one and found nothing interesting. Mostly a bunch of paranoid people obsessed with "intelligence agencies" constantly looking through their sock drawers, as if spooks had literally nothing better to do with their time.
    3. tobi_bsf · · focus · HN ↗
      The chinese will go and suck in all of your laptop and everything else from your network when you install this ;)
      1. Shin-- · · focus · HN ↗
        I installed it on my laptop and it immediately vanished. I am sure Xi is browsing the hard drive right now.
      2. smitty1110 · · focus · HN ↗
        Just put your trust in Big Winnie and all will be fine.
      3. cheonic4040 · · focus · HN ↗
        > The chinese will go and suck in all of your laptop and everything else from your network when you install this ;)

        So will western countries.

        At least chinese offers 95% of the quality at 10% of the price.

      4. Drupon · · focus · HN ↗

        [dead]

      5. kindablissy · · focus · HN ↗
        That's how AI works, sir.
    4. Bluestein · · focus · HN ↗
      Facebook? (But they get the money ...)
    5. kkarpkkarp · · focus · HN ↗
      > I wish there was a tool I could use to share my documents, activity, etc. directly with the world's major intelligence agencies.

      oh, good old times of PRISM, rightly bygone. Of course they don't do this now.

    6. noduerme · · focus · HN ↗
      Your documents are worth endless breadsticks as long as you keep making new ones, puny human
    7. noduerme · · focus · HN ↗
      Teacher of mine spent almost 20 years getting access to his FBI file through FOIA requests. Apparently it was surprising how much of his life they didn't know about.

      Children with no life have never had anything worth keeping private. Even the question of having nothing to hide is foreign if you've never done anything at all.

      It's like that parable about God giving us free will. If or when the intelligence agencies manage to create a generation with nothing to hide, what will their purpose be? You might as well take field notes on birds or sheep.

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