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1. usernomdeguerre · 1790961094 · focus · HN ↗

   >As we’ve said time and time again: the internet will always route around censorship.

   Is this still true, or has it become a truism? It seems nations like Iran and China (and events like Kashmir come to mind) have progressed the state-of-the-art and playbook to where we can't actually say it definitively will route around it.

   Now seeing that the US and EU are flirting with these similar restrictions it's making me wonder how we'll be able to keep hold of these principles.

   Maybe my concern with that adage is ultimately its passive voice, since it takes 'active' action by people to give us those options, and will probably take more actions by more people to keep it alive now.

   1. encom · 1790965608 · focus · HN ↗

      It's certainly less true than it was. It depends on how Matt Prince feels on any particular day.

      To a large degree, most of the internet today is ultimately controlled by a few people. If what you have to say pisses off these people, and someone is determined to keep you off the internet, you have a problem. Kiwi Farms is a well known example, and continues to suffer under regular DDOS attacks. Regardless of how you feel about KF, it's undeniable that a) this nonsense has streissanded the site enormously and b) it's speech you don't like that needs protection.

      Also there was the whole covid "misinformation" garbage fire... I certainly do not want my government or some megacorp to decide what can and can't say or read.

      And going beyond the internet, I just want to remind you Americans, that your 1st amendment is almost unique (to my knowledge). Enjoy and protect your offensive, hateful, blasphemous, extremist, and deeply unpopular speech.

      1. someonebaggy · 1791028826 · focus · HN ↗

         Kiwi Farms has caused people to die, and is blasé about it, even laughing - not a good example. We could say Autistici/Inventati instead.

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