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Court agrees with EFF: Utah's VPN law demands a technical impossibility

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  1. irenaeus · · focus · HN ↗
    Not sure what the impossibility is. VPN's have a set of exit relays. If traffic is coming from one of those exit relays, it's coming from a VPN, so adult websites can be required to block traffic from those exit relays. What am I missing?
    1. cryptonector · · focus · HN ↗
      <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;le.utah.gov&#x2F;~2026&#x2F;bills&#x2F;static&#x2F;SB0073.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;le.utah.gov&#x2F;~2026&#x2F;bills&#x2F;static&#x2F;SB0073.html

      | An individual is considered to be accessing the website from this state if the individual is actually located in the state, regardless of whether the individual is using a virtual private network, proxy server, or other means to disguise or misrepresent the individual&#x27;s geographic location to make it appear that the individual is accessing a website from a location outside this state.

      But how can any site check if a client is a) a VPN client (typically this can be known because VPN exit node IPs can be learned), __and__ b) in Utah?

      The impossibility lies in (b). Effectively this forces any affected companies having a nexus to the state of Utah to forbid VPN clients. I think that&#x27;s a bit too far-reaching. It would be much more practicable instead to ask VPNs to disallow Utah client exits to affected sites w&#x2F;o age checks -- VPN services aren&#x27;t free, so VPNs basically can do age checks.

      Given that this could have been written to be feasibly implemented, either this text was written to cause a controversy, or this text was written by people who don&#x27;t know how things work. Either way, this text cannot be enforceable as written. The Utah legislature can easily modify this to be enforceable (see above), so it&#x27;s not like a court striking this down might be playing partisan games just by striking it down.

      1. hedora · · focus · HN ↗
        There are free vpns, but you could also just hop from Utah to an age check vpn to get out of Utah, then hop to a second vpn.
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