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1. SoftTalker · 1790960547 · focus · HN ↗

   > platforms are left with an impossible choice: completely block all VPN traffic nationwide or withdraw access from Utah entirely

   Is it even possible to reliably know that a connection is from a VPN? Anyone can proxy through a random hosting provider.

   1. ranger_danger · 1790961233 · focus · HN ↗

      Not when the definition of VPN is subjective. I could proxy/VPN through a friend's house and nobody would ever know it wasn't them.

      1. codedokode · 1790961628 · focus · HN ↗

         Yes but isn't it suspicious that all your traffic goes to the friend's house and not to Facebook and Reddit? If you claim it is not a VPN does it mean your friend is providing illegal unlicensed hosting? That's even worse.

         1. [deleted] · 1790961772 · focus · HN ↗

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         2. iAMkenough · 1790962209 · focus · HN ↗

            Split tunnel is a thing, and in that instance the platform required to comply (like a porn site) doesn’t have any way to see all your traffic to determine if it’s a VPN/proxy connection or not.

            1. codedokode · 1790966681 · focus · HN ↗

               If you cannot determine the traffic type, you can block it and wait until someone appears with proper documentation and explains what they were sending.

               1. iAMkenough · 1790967822 · focus · HN ↗

                  That's what the judge agreed with: it's unreasonable to require you to block all Internet traffic with the assumption it's all VPN traffic until proven otherwise.

                  Under Utah's law as written, a private business has to assume any single IP address could be operating a VPN/proxy.

               2. 306bobby · 1791016743 · focus · HN ↗

                  He said nothing about traffic type, that will always be HTTPS and websocket stuff. Nothing out of the ordinary to block there VPN or not

                  With cross tunneling all your normal traffic would go through your ISP usually and just your porn traffic goes through the VPN. Unless it's a major provider, as far as your ISP is concerned you're just connecting to someone's private server occasionally

         3. malfist · 1790962351 · focus · HN ↗

            > does it mean your friend is providing illegal unlicensed hosting

            Since when do you have to pull permits to put a server on the web?

         4. ranger_danger · 1790963146 · focus · HN ↗

            "Suspicious" is not illegal, and neither is hosting.
         5. zen928 · 1790966833 · focus · HN ↗

            Why would that be suspicious?
         6. someonebaggy · 1791028271 · focus · HN ↗

            If anybody is monitoring traffic patterns to this extent, it's not public knowledge. Even the NSA is unlikely to see traffic from one house to another in the same neighbourhood. And nobody except top terrorists gets prosecuted based on NSA intel because they have to reveal how they got the intel.

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