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  1. nathanfig · · focus · HN ↗
    I have been using Sites a few months now, really underrated feature IMO. Any time I get a quick app idea I just hand it off to Sites and usually get a working prototype within the hour.

    For example, here&#x27;s a game where you are a mouse hunting for cheese in higher dimensional mazes: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;manifold-six-axis-escape.nathan338932.chatgpt.site&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;manifold-six-axis-escape.nathan338932.chatgpt.site&#x2F;

    Idea came to me while at a concert, was ready to play that same night.

    1. svachalek · · focus · HN ↗
      Wow that game makes my head hurt. Cool idea!
      1. nathanfig · · focus · HN ↗
        Thanks! Yeah I find it helps to jump back down to lower (comprehensible) dimensions, move closer at that level, then jump back up.
    2. Puppies4Life · · focus · HN ↗
      Melted my brain. 10&#x2F;10.
    3. Juvination · · focus · HN ↗
      I made it through the 6th puzzle, it was a lot of fun. I basically just stayed in 3 dimensions until I had to move up and then went back to 3.
      1. nathanfig · · focus · HN ↗
        Yeah I think moving up and down dimensions is the best strategy. I find spamming movements in 6D works but only because the paths are dense enough.
    4. jr3592 · · focus · HN ↗
      pretty fun! beat level 6 after about 4 minutes... should add some more levels :)
      1. nathanfig · · focus · HN ↗
        Yeah if I were to make it harder I would introduce more sparse connections requiring the user to actually understand the layout, right now you can kind of &quot;feel&quot; your way towards the cheese. Most brutal maze would be one with only one possible path and lots of backtracking required.

        Maybe I&#x27;ll do that and post to HN later, didn&#x27;t expect this much response!

    5. tomtom1337 · · focus · HN ↗
      Really cool idea! Beat level 6! I&#x27;m still not sure how to explain how it is showing more than 3 dimensions on a 2D screen though! Would be nice to be able to choose which dimensions are represented at the various N-dimensions, but the UI might be tricky to get nice.
      1. nathanfig · · focus · HN ↗
        Yeah you have actually picked up on something that the game intentionally does to help the user: If the cheese can be reached by any of the dimensions you are currently on, then it will ensure that dimension is in the subset of dimensions you receive when you go down a dimension.

        Otherwise I&#x27;d have to introduce some kind of dimension picker. Maybe a fun hardmode.

        1. tomtom1337 · · focus · HN ↗
          Oh I see! Thanks for explaining that - I did notice that sometimes a subset that I didn&#x27;t expect was chosen.

          Did the LLM explain its reasoning for how it is showing the higher dimensions? Or perhaps this is a standard way of attempting to display higher dimensional space?

          1. nathanfig · · focus · HN ↗
            I didn&#x27;t ask about standard representations, but I think the graph representation works well when paired with the discrete moves this maze allows. If we wanted continuous spaces it would probably be harder to play and harder to represent, but maybe more interesting.
    6. rednb · · focus · HN ↗
      Polished and easy to use website builders have been around for a long time, from Wordpress all the way to Wix.

      The fact is, most people aren&#x27;t builders and never will be. Building software is about formalizing and automating processes, and 95% of folks aren&#x27;t interested in putting even the most basic effort into improving their business by approching it at a strategic level. Too focused on keeping the lights on and&#x2F;or more interested in field operations.

      For another example look at the many businesses using @gmail addresses to run their business while Google Workplace has streamlined custom domains for a while.

      So in practice, ChatGPT Sites will mainly enable software agencies to build websites and offload maintenance to the customer : just manage it from your ChatGPT account. The equivalent of Bring your own cloud for Mom and Pop businesses, and other small companies. Not even sure ChatGPT Sites will create meaningful downward pressure on agency rates.

      Lesson learned the hard way.

      1. throwaway314155 · · focus · HN ↗
        Oh come on. Sure, it might not be a production-capable system. But comparing an Astra 6&#x2F;Sol 6.1 powered sites to wordpress and wix is apples and oranges.
        1. rednb · · focus · HN ↗
          An Astra powered site is your representation of a polished and capable business website. For the average joe, a Wix website fits the bill, their representation is not the same as yours. They focus on items such as whether or not the theme is beautiful.
          1. estearum · · focus · HN ↗
            I would bet there’s a (very) nontrivial number of people who have attempted to build something in Wix etc and got bogged down and frustrated enough to quit.

            Lots.

            I’m a pretty sophisticated user (both a designer and software engineer) and I’ve ragequit several of these tools before.

            1. sixtyj · · focus · HN ↗
              I recommend to all my customers - publish and use your own domain.
            2. CuriouslyC · · focus · HN ↗
              I hate Wix. I tried it to see if it could streamline things for me about a year and a half ago, and I quickly realized I could set up an Eleventy site, customize it and host it way faster. Now that agents are better and Cloudflare&#x27;s API is fully exposed, I can have the agent search for a domain, buy it, set it up, set up the site and get it working on pages and probably be done before Wix onboarding was even complete.
          2. 3edd2 · · focus · HN ↗
            In the super long run most websites will disappear - e.g. look at what Facebook&#x2F;Instagram already did.
        2. hollowturtle · · focus · HN ↗
          I mean Wordpress been around for decades, it’s solid, mature and everywhere. I’d even say way better than any vibe coded site
          1. jmathai · · focus · HN ↗
            I tried to set up a Wordpress site for someone last month. I suggested it because of the reasons you said.

            I’m convinced that’s the only reason Wordpress is still popular. The administrative experience was atrocious. Actually, that is an understatement.

          2. trainsarebetter · · focus · HN ↗
            That really depends, I needed a suspension geometry calculator, vib coded it rather quickly then did some basic layout adjustments, would have taken me a very long tone to make a anything equivalent with different tools
      2. xcafebabe · · focus · HN ↗
        could not agree more! most people really aren&#x27;t builders. AI enables builders
        1. 3edd2 · · focus · HN ↗
          Correct.

          Whats going to happen is a) easier to shop around for agencies b) expectations of agencies to go up c) deflation etc etc.

      3. maxgashkov · · focus · HN ↗
        &gt; Polished and easy to use website builders have been around for a long time, from Wordpress all the way to Wix.

        The issue with the Wordpress and Wix is that the site stay polished for approximately 1 second after it has been initially published. In 6mo~1yr it&#x27;s unmaintainable pile of dogshit that is easier to redo from scratch.

        1. hackerbeat · · focus · HN ↗
          Also: The Wordpress Block Editor is a mess and has a very steep learning curve.
        2. sick_of_slop · · focus · HN ↗
          Well that&#x27;s still better than an AI site that basically is never polished.
        3. isqueiros · · focus · HN ↗
          I think that&#x27;s going to be exactly the same with AI.
      4. 3edd2 · · focus · HN ↗
        I thought HN of all places would understand this generally, right?

        But no.. lol. This place has limited deep thinker&#x27;s who understand why humans prefer what they do.

    7. bgirard · · focus · HN ↗
      Same. I went to a music festival and their website was hard to use, and the schedule was difficult to understand. And the area had bad connectivity. A few prompts and I was able to build a much better offline site.
      1. trainsarebetter · · focus · HN ↗
        This is cool
    8. sixtyj · · focus · HN ↗
      *.chatgpt.site - I see many dead sites in very near future.

      Is it possible to export site to own domain?

      1. riffic · · focus · HN ↗
        From what I can tell, &quot;Sites&quot; product supports custom domains so it&#x27;s not an &quot;export&quot; per se but it is a way to map.

        <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;learn.chatgpt.com&#x2F;docs&#x2F;sites?surface=web#connect-a-custom-domain" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;learn.chatgpt.com&#x2F;docs&#x2F;sites?surface=web#connect-a-c...

        <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.openai.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;articles&#x2F;20001339-creating-and-using-chatgpt-sites" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.openai.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;articles&#x2F;20001339-creating-and-us...

      2. nathanfig · · focus · HN ↗
        Yes, I&#x27;ve exported and self-hosted in the past. I&#x27;ll sometimes use Sites to mockup something and then I&#x27;ll download and pass it onto another agent for use in something bigger.
    9. financetechbro · · focus · HN ↗
      Super fun game!
    10. nashashmi · · focus · HN ↗
      Got so annoyed at this game. +&#x2F;- Y should be up and down. Gets confusing with x being the same way.
      1. nathanfig · · focus · HN ↗
        Got curious and don&#x27;t seem to be able to reproduce what you mean? In 2D Y+ corresponds to top of the screen and Y- to the bottom. X- is left and X+ is right. In 3D and above you can rotate the shape around so there is no real up or down? But maybe I&#x27;m missing some edge case where you go up into some high dimension position then back down?
      2. bharatsuthar · · focus · HN ↗
        Same. I&#x27;m not sure how is anyone able to play&#x2F;enjoy it. To me, it seems very counterintuitive and boring to interact with.
        1. nathanfig · · focus · HN ↗
          Trying to reproduce, could you help me understand what &quot;up and down&quot; means here?
          1. nashashmi · · focus · HN ↗
            The controls for moving in the X direction are negative and positive buttons, positioned on the left and right. The controls for the Y are also left and right. this is contrary to logic because it should be on top and bottom or up and down. And the controls for the Z axis should be in opposite corners.
    11. ndarray · · focus · HN ↗
      The dimension knob doesn&#x27;t have user-select: none; and you probably have no idea what that means and why it&#x27;s annoying.
      1. nathanfig · · focus · HN ↗
        As a developer I almost got defensive, but I think I feel what you&#x27;re feeling. Dealing with change is hard. I am a developer who once felt value for knowing these things too. Today I wouldn&#x27;t even bother opening the developer pane to test CSS changes. Tools that held so much potential to me are now headed for a museum, and it sucks.
      2. internet2000 · · focus · HN ↗
        user-select: none is considered harmful. Don&#x27;t use it.
    12. tannertech · · focus · HN ↗

      [dead]

    13. Germanioum · · focus · HN ↗
      My default approach is github pages. Its agent independent and if github changes anything to this, i still have the code.

      if i need something with personal data, i let the build process encrypt it and js to decrypt it.

      If i need save&#x2F;load&#x2F;state i use local storage + json import&#x2F;export.

      Slightly ignorant how frugile i&#x27;m doing this tbh $4 is not a lot.

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