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1. mahboi · 1790889739 · focus · HN ↗

     if an owner decides they are uncomfortable with the data sharing described within them, they are faced with (arguably) unfair choices:
     - 01 accept the agreements regardless of their concerns
     - 02 stop using their car's connected-vehicle features - which includes remote start, the app, and other very useful features
     - 03 stop using the vehicle entirely
   

   Easy, I take #2. Is that it? This whole time I thought the article was talking about telemetry the car sends regardless.

   1. hollow-moe · 1790889939 · focus · HN ↗

      Like #2 prevents the spying. Let's ask some smart TV brands executives their opinion on the matter.

      1. TheBozzCL · 1790891403 · focus · HN ↗

         "We own the infotainment system"

         I've thought about what I can possibly do if I ever need to buy a modern car. Bring my own cell phone tower spoofer? Threaten to not buy the car if they don't disconnect the antennas first?

         It's good that these things are starting to catch the public's interest. Gamers' Nexus' exposé on LG TVs. The lawsuits against car manufacturers for selling driving data (indirectly) to insurance companies. The pushback against Flock. I wonder what else is needed to actually move the needle globally.

         I see a good sign in that Gen Alpha seems to find using disconnected devices to be trendy. I hope it's a trend that stays long term.

         1. rpcope1 · 1790926254 · focus · HN ↗

            I mean I would suspect (and suggest) rebuilding older stuff, as honestly the cars from 10+ years ago are in many, many ways better built and more reliable, but don't ask me why I know this, but with certain LLM assistance, an absolute boatload of modification and RE on newer cars has become much more tractable, including reworking the telemetry. I'm not a lawyer all stunts were performed by a professional on a closed course.

            1. bluGill · 1790940518 · focus · HN ↗

               If you don't mind a rusted out car, you can certainly keep them running for a long time. However, you want a nice car? Well, that's a different story. An assembly line is so much more efficient than manual labor that a brand new car is cheaper than rebuilding an old car. When you talk to car collectors you discover that either they have done a huge amount of labor themselves and they have no clue how much that would cost if they would pay someone or yeah they're paying someone and you discover that they they are paying more than new cars to keep this show only car in a perfect condition.
            2. TheBozzCL · 1790981694 · focus · HN ↗

               Ohoho that actually sounds like a cool weekend (multiple?) project. Almost makes me want to go buy a new car.

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