Automatic Transmission – a data-privacy study of connected vehicles
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Automatic Transmission – a data-privacy study of connected vehicles
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gwbas1c · · focus · HN ↗
attila-lendvai · · focus · HN ↗
sadly, politicians are very happy about the centralization of power... they are the same team with the corporations.
goodmythical · · focus · HN ↗
In-vehicle monitoring allows car manufacturers to remind the user to buckle up, keep their eyes on the road, stay off their phones, remind them to take breaks, turn the radio down in tense traffic, remind the driver to take a breath based on increased heart rate to minimize road rage, etc.
Heck, we could really reduce lack of seatbelt related injuries and deaths if we could eliminate the 'drive' function while seatbelts are not properly worn (which we can now check with our AI cameras )
What are you some kind of anti-safe-driving nut?
mahboi · · focus · HN ↗
rootusrootus · · focus · HN ↗
lotsofpulp · · focus · HN ↗
What are you some kind of anti-kids-being-able-to-roam nut?
Huge and tall vehicles and distracted and drunk drivers have made prisoners of anyone not in a car in much of the USA. Loss of freedom for people in cars is an acceptable price to regain freedom for people outside of cars.
Maybe drivers will stop distracted driving and be responsible with their freedom when the camera shows them looking at their phone while they mow down a pedestrian or bicyclist and they are charged with manslaughter.
broadside1296 · · focus · HN ↗
goodmythical · · focus · HN ↗
goodmythical · · focus · HN ↗
I am an active cyclist who rides at least five times a week.
I'll take the bait. Why is the freedom of the cyclist more valuable than the freedom of the driver?
Restricting the freedom of the cyclist such that they cannot expose themselves to the danger of the driver would have the same result, in terms of incident safety, as restricting the freedom of the driver such that they cannot pose a threat to the cyclist.
In fact, given that there are so many more drivers than cyclists, restricting freedoms of cyclists is the correct move given that you are then creating less loss of freedom.
Where is the camera requirement for the cyclist? Why shouldn't the cyclist be required to have always on cameras to prove that they checked before swerving out of the bike lane to avoid a door rather than braking? Does the cyclist who decided to enter an underused right-on-red cross walk at speed not bare some of the responsibility? Shouldn't they have looked over to see if anyone was in the turning lane and brake accordingly? A law that says they have the right of way will do them no good in their grave.
I, as a cyclist, do not need the government to keep me safe. I understand that I am sharing a space with multiple objects that could kill me at any moment for almost any reason. There is no law that will protect me in my privileged lane if the vehicle I am casually riding beside has a blowout. There is no law that will save my life if I decide to rush out in to a crosswalk the moment it's green if an oncoming driver is having a stroke/heart attack. I behave according to the full knowledge and understanding that I am choosing to be in a dangerous space that I can mitigate the danger of through my actions. Knowing that the driver has cameras watching them and may face some extra future liability would change nothing. The threat posed by a camera of them going to jail or paying a fine will only marginally improve their behavior and will do literally nothing for my broken bones or dead body.
lotsofpulp · · focus · HN ↗
It isn’t.
>Where is the camera requirement for the cyclist?
They should have one too, especially since a lot of bicycles are now electric motorcycles.
>Knowing that the driver has cameras watching them and may face some extra future liability would change nothing. The threat posed by a camera of them going to jail or paying a fine will only marginally improve their behavior
Disagree. Seeing a few people go to prison long term for using their phone while driving would cause many to not use their phones while driving.
goodmythical · · focus · HN ↗
People are already risking their actual life with distracted driving. Many and perhaps all of us know someone who died, killed someone, was injured, or injured someone else because of distracted driving. There is already a threat associated with the event. They could literally die. There is no greater threat. Adding fines or jail does not increase the threat and so provides no further disincentive against the behavior. I've already agreed that there may be some reduction in the behavior, but at what cost?
I do not want companies and governments to watch every moment of every driver either passively or actively using either machines or humans in the name of potentially protecting me from a distracted driver due to the increased likelihood that they go to jail. I do not want companies recording personal conversations of all drivers always just in case they happen to not check their blind spot. It would make me as a cyclist feel bad knowing that I've subjected millions to continual surveillance for my safety. The camera would have to be on at all times in order to detect the distracted driving in order to alert the driver. It could, I suppose, take pictures instead of recording video but then the detection would not function as well. It could all be done locally to the vehicle and never uploaded. If uploaded, there could be a deletion policy with strict access controls, but there is so much money to be made with recording and saving the data to sell to insurers and ad companies and machine learning companies and...
In the US alone you're asking that consumers be forced to spend millions of dollars between the added cost of the R&D, cameras, and storage (and more if you want it local to the vehicle) in order to be subjected to hundreds of billions of hours of surveillance annually (assuming all cars have cameras on all the time). I do not want to live in a world in which we speed-run having our every thought and action recorded in the off-chance we do something wrong. I do not believe that common citizens should exist under constant scrutiny. If there is life after death and I die by the hands of another I will not ever once think "gee, I wish there'd been a camera to save me"
While we're adding continual video monitoring, why don't we add a few other just-in-case protections? Why shouldn't every vehicle have breath alcohol ignition interlock devices? Who could object other than precisely those we wish to prevent from driving? And we've already got cameras on the outside, why shouldn't we make drivers perform a safety inspection to make sure their lights, blinkers, and hazards are working? Surely it's no burden to ensure the safety of your fellow drivers? And of course there's no legitimate reason for a civilian vehicle to travel over the speed limit, and we've already got on-board GPS, so why shouldn't all vehicles have GPS speed governors? Sure, we all like speeding, but that's not fair to all victims so we'll just go ahead and eliminate that as a possibility.
While we're doing the cameras, why stop at the inside of a vehicle? Why stop on the outside of your door? We could have a nice gentle dinging noise to remind people that the domestic violence they are committing is currently being recorded. Millions of crimes are committed inside homes, and many murders happen in homes. People are wrongly convicted of crimes that didn't happen (where the 'victim' really did just fall down the stairs), after all. A single camera could save those wrongfully accused from wrongful imprisonment! What a deal!
We have the ability to drastically reduce all sorts of crimes. All it costs is treating everyone like a criminal at all times et voilà!
hansvm · · focus · HN ↗
goodmythical · · focus · HN ↗
Like, mate, who's side are you on?
gwbas1c · · focus · HN ↗
Our (US) legislation might be dysfunctional, but they aren't that stupid and gullible.
chaps · · focus · HN ↗
milkytron · · focus · HN ↗
hellon3wheels · · focus · HN ↗
mahboi · · focus · HN ↗