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1. sghiassy · 1790904507 · focus · HN ↗

   Does anyone care anymore?

   Honest question? Whatever the agent is best at programming out to achieve a high quality outcome works for me. Just write the acceptance tests and be done with it

   1. goolz · 1790904709 · focus · HN ↗

      For what it is worth, I care, if only for the simple fact that it is an interesting project.
   2. drewbitt · 1790906166 · focus · HN ↗

      In the last 3 months svelte + kit have had 302 issues and 1,107 PRs opened (802 merged), 512 distinct humans opening/commenting/committing, and almost 100 unique code contributors. So yes, people care.

      1. password54321 · 1790932764 · focus · HN ↗

         >humans

         It is probably LLMs all the way down.

   3. etatester · 1790913827 · focus · HN ↗

      Time to ask the agent to spit out compiled wasm then if it doesn't matter.

      1. sghiassy · 1790968163 · focus · HN ↗

         Agreed, everything is trending back to C
   4. afavour · 1790915936 · focus · HN ↗

      Svelte is faster and smaller on client devices than React is. If you care about user experience you should probably care, yes.
   5. rbits · 1790920306 · focus · HN ↗

      God that's depressing. I would hope that this website hasn't lost all interest in coding because AI can do it now.

      1. eknkc · 1790927801 · focus · HN ↗

         Isn't that inevitable?

         I used to keep an eye on the web frameworks. Tried Solid JS, Vue, Svelte etc regularly to see what's going on. But at this point, if I'm not gonna enjoy the platform or suffer from it then it might as well be jquery + imperative code.

         Also, web frameworks are not really about coding anyway. These are HTML generators. They were about developer ergonomics beyond anything and were important when it was about developers.

      2. bottlepalm · 1790958865 · focus · HN ↗

         I used to spend a lot of time here discussing and debating frameworks, not so much lately. It's a depressing how much time we spent in framework wars. I don't miss it.

         1. kursus · 1791041436 · focus · HN ↗

            This was simply replaced by LLMs wars. I find it even less fun.
   6. x-complexity · 1790922375 · focus · HN ↗

      > Honest question? Whatever the agent is best at programming out to achieve a high quality outcome works for me. Just write the acceptance tests and be done with it

      Even under your premise, the framework that helps agents get there faster is the better framework, programming capabilities notwithstanding.

   7. password54321 · 1790932233 · focus · HN ↗

      Yup, LLMs can just write Python scripts that can just do the same thing for you without frameworks, NPM, Yarn, dependencies, sneaky bugs, random packages needing updates.

      1. kursus · 1791041255 · focus · HN ↗

         And then you can no longer change a label without LLM assistance. I don't doubt this suits some people but impotently begging Claude to fix a critical bug while your boss looks over your shoulder must be quite humiliating.
   8. jamesnorden · 1790937974 · focus · HN ↗

      This kind of post is basically spam.

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