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1684 points · 602 comments · sergiotapia

  1. hhh · · focus · HN ↗
    I don't really understand the criteria for when something is 'proven' to the Pi team. Jev and the like took off less than a month ago, but MCP has been growing for nearly 2 years, and it only gets support now?

    Pi felt nice when I used it, and I do value keeping things minimal, but I just find the criteria very uneven.

    1. Zambyte · · focus · HN ↗
      Classification models have been around for literally almost a century at this point. I think it's safe to say they are a proven technology.

      The only thing that makes Jev and the likes particularly interesting is that it is a general purpose classifier. In the past, classification tasks meant training a new model to solve your problem. Now you can just use an off the shelf general purpose model and hit the ground running.

      1. alex7o · · focus · HN ↗
        Even jev is not truly novel, but it's latency is, you can use a reranker and get the same things but not the same speed.
        1. Foobar8568 · · focus · HN ↗
          Well, according to claude and Jevbench, Qwen 3.6 35b with ninfer on a RTX 5090@480W is like 3-5 time slower but 10%-15% better performance on the public set, I could see prefill > 15k for 700-800decode. Latency against what and which hardware? I don't really get jev...
          1. alex7o · · focus · HN ↗
            Look I can convince my boss to pay for jev, but I won't convince him to run our prod stuff on a rented vast.ai 5090. And the pricing wouldn't be worth it. If you have ideas I would be glad to hear them
            1. luipugs · · focus · HN ↗
              Stage a coup to usurp your boss.
        2. mrkn1 · · focus · HN ↗
          If you want something even lighter than Jev to compare against, there&#x27;s also gutsy (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;kouhxp&#x2F;gutsy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;kouhxp&#x2F;gutsy) runs on CPU
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