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Clef: Open-weight decision models, and new RL fine-tuning platform

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  1. manlymuppet · · focus · HN ↗
    Am I hearing this right, that they made a decision model based on Typesafe's new paradigm, and actually made a model better than Jev based on Typesafe's own ranking?

    And it's only been a few weeks.

    1. TeMPOraL · · focus · HN ↗
      It's not a "new paradigm", it's a low-hanging fruit that's been lying around for years; Typesafe were the first to bother to stop and pick it up, and market the shit out of it. But it was still a low-hanging fruit.

      There are many, many of those left around, because AI frontier is moving forward so fast, everyone is racing ahead. Which is why I laugh when people say AI is not transformative and LLMs are a dead end (and my favorite, "what are we going to do with all those GPUs when the bubble pops?"). Even if SOTA LLMs hit a hard capability limit tomorrow and never advanced again, there's a good decade of growth and advancement to be extracted just from all the low-hanging fruits that were left unpicked along the way.

      1. seizethecheese · · focus · HN ↗
        Name a few of these low hanging fruit left around.
        1. TeMPOraL · · focus · HN ↗
          Jev is one.

          Diffusion transformers are not "easy" but underfunded.

          Random one in terms of applications: getting GPT-4-level[0] LLMs to operate at hundreds of tokens per second on edge hardware - opens up so many possibilities I'm probably unable to imagine half of them.

          E.g. Imagine spellcheck/predictive text (or code autocomplete) where the model is able to process a whole paragraph + surrounding application/system context in between keystrokes. Or an OS being able to reliably guess what you're doing in real-time, in between your UI interactions, and offer actually helpful contextual reactions.

          Or imagine finally funding some decent studies into exploring the models as computational artifacts - studying their latent spaces, how they form and how they model reality internally.

          Or imagine automated sliding doors that don't suck.

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          [0] - Or anything substantially better than BERT-level models used in Jev or that demo from the company doing inference ASICs, that has a chatbot online that does 14 kilotokens per second.

          1. Amekedl · · focus · HN ↗
            yeah your reply, nobody can predict the future.

            Enough stuff can happen, software use itself might change, and that could really cause anything. "What will we do with all the gpus" might become a question if for a magnitude of tech and reasons leaked-opus-9 runs on a macbook m6 or 7

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