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Clef: Open-weight decision models, and new RL fine-tuning platform

637 points · 217 comments · jasondavies

  1. manlymuppet · · focus · HN ↗
    Am I hearing this right, that they made a decision model based on Typesafe's new paradigm, and actually made a model better than Jev based on Typesafe's own ranking?

    And it's only been a few weeks.

    1. slopnt · · focus · HN ↗
      They have to have decision models already in production. Part of their business is detecting bots, DDoSers and spammers.
      1. alightsoul · · focus · HN ↗
        Yeah that's a decision tree, random Forest or some other machine learning classifier. They have existed for a long time
        1. smallmancontrov · · focus · HN ↗
          I'm all for rebranding discriminative models as decision models, though.

          "Discriminative" always had pointlessly bad optics, but I knew it was over when I started seeing prominent machine learning researchers who p=100% knew better describe discriminative models as generative because that was the buzzword of the year. "Decision model" sells the value proposition much better and doesn't sound like an anti-woke crusade.

          1. tomrod · · focus · HN ↗
            Decision models have long been called `choice` models to may understanding. Huge statistical literature on dynamic discrete choice models and inference!
        2. eastdakota · · focus · HN ↗
          I think you just called me old.
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