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Red Hat being phased out of existence?

213 points · 143 comments · amcclure

  1. toomuchtodo · · focus · HN ↗
    Great opportunity to migrate to NixOS for those needing to decision a migration path.
    1. hollerith · · focus · HN ↗
      Last time I evaluated NixOS (Mar 2021) the project didn't care a whit about desktop security. Has that changed?

      Fedora at least tries relatively consistently—and has been for decades.

      1. chronogram · · focus · HN ↗
        What exactly do you mean by desktop security? Security from websites, installable software, physical access?
        1. hollerith · · focus · HN ↗
          Being able to visit a web page, open a PDF or download and inspect a git repo without the web page, PDF or git repo's being able to completely pwn the entire machine including the bootloader and the firmware for all the hardware subsystems.

          Desktop Linux is very bad at that compared to ChromeOS and MacOS, but some distros are much better than others. For a few decades now, Fedora has been one of the better ones.

        2. j1elo · · focus · HN ↗
          > Security from websites, installable software, physical access?

          All those would be important, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We could start from the Vulnerability Of The Year: supply chain attacks.

    2. amelius · · focus · HN ↗
      I'll wait until AI has translated all the nix scripts to a more user friendly language, thank you.
      1. antonvs · · focus · HN ↗
        You can just use AI to configure Nix. The “user friendly language” is English (or whatever natural language you want to use.)
      2. stargrazer · · focus · HN ↗
        Well, actually, some recent articles are indicating that AI is coming up with its own idiom of communicating. Something incomprehensible to humans. So, which will it be, AI sharing with humans, or AI hogging the ball and keeping everything private between agents?
    3. evanjrowley · · focus · HN ↗
      Semi-related: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49841563">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49841563
      1. toomuchtodo · · focus · HN ↗
        France as well: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49842480">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49842480
    4. notnullorvoid · · focus · HN ↗
      I&#x27;ll stick with Fedora and RHEL.

      From what I can tell NixOS still has no support for AppArmor or SELinux.

    5. tosti · · focus · HN ↗
      It&#x27;s not just a distro. RedHat used to host quite a bit of free software projects. The mailing lists that used to be now just bounce. Sourceware has been abandoned for GitLab. But I&#x27;m not sure if everything else has succesfully migrated away. It would&#x27;ve meant something really good if IBM would just continue to provide services for free software, but I&#x27;m not seeing them do that so I guess that means pretty much the exact opposite.
    6. ddellacosta · · focus · HN ↗
      I love NixOS and use it on my work and home machines, but I balk at seriously suggesting anyone pick that as their first choice for a stable Linux distro to move to. It&#x27;s filled with sharp edges, and more to the point, the project leadership and governance seems mired in drama constantly. Not a system I would feel comfortable suggesting any org should adopt without a lot of consideration, especially if stability and long-term planning are important.
      1. toomuchtodo · · focus · HN ↗
        If it’s good enough for the Dutch and French governments to be adopting, it’s good enough for some, but not yet all, corporate orgs (I argue). Sharp edges will get ground down over time. Migration decisions have inertia that is measured in half decades.
        1. mrbn100ful · · focus · HN ↗
          The French government did not adopt it, it&#x27;s a 250 users POC.
        2. ltbarcly3 · · focus · HN ↗
          Governments always make such good, long term, well thought through technology decisions. For sure their decisions are great ones to adopt. &#x2F;sarcasm
        3. cpburns2009 · · focus · HN ↗
          How many German governments have announced they&#x27;re mirgrating to Linux over the years only for them to reverse course?
        4. ufmace · · focus · HN ↗
          What&#x27;s the ratio of press releases announcing their intention to switch to actual computers running NixOS being used by low-level bureaucrats reliably for their day-to-day work?

          Actually, we better invert that ratio, dividing by zero doesn&#x27;t work very well no matter what OS you&#x27;re using.

    7. marcus9999 · · focus · HN ↗

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    8. pjmlp · · focus · HN ↗
      As interesting as watching Gentoo being compiled.
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