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1. int0x29 · 1790884759 · focus · HN ↗

   These three quotes make me wonder if the police are effectively searching the phone before getting a warrant

   > given that oftentimes they can’t immediately try to break into iPhones that have been seized. That could be because police are still waiting for a court authorization to do so

   > GrayKey Preserve and Evidence Preservation Mode are also designed to combat another iPhone feature that automatically deletes certain data — such as cached locations, and recently deleted photos and iMessages — after a certain number of days. “We're gonna be able to preserve that data for an infinite amount of time.”

   > “That AFU state is captured,” by GrayKey Preserve and Evidence Preservation Mode, the employee says. “Even if that device does reboot for any number of reasons, memory maintenance or the power is lost or whatever, the AFU state is not lost. This is the true magic behind the GrayKey Preserve and the Evidence Preservation Mode function.”

   The power loss tolerance in particular looks iffy. The photo and iMessage bits are a bit more problematic in that light. I get that they claim the police aren't seeing the data but if they are extracting before a warrant that is effectivly the same as pre searching everyone and promising not to read it.

   1. ktm5j · 1790885563 · focus · HN ↗

      I'm not seeing what you're seeing. The inactivity reboot wouldn't be a problem if they aren't waiting for a warrant. The fact that this article even exists supports the fact that they are waiting for warrants.

      Also, as someone who was the victim of a pretty awful violent crime I'm here to tell you that police are not the enemy. There are some really bad people out there, trust me.. if you ever met one you would probably be okay with cops violating their privacy.

      1. whatsdowndog · 1790885961 · focus · HN ↗

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         1. jmward01 · 1790886726 · focus · HN ↗

            Most police aren't the enemy. Unfortunately it only takes a few that are or one that is having a bad day. Black and white distinctions 'they are all good' or 'they are all bad', are a core problem. Recognizing that we need to hold police accountable and limit their authority and actions isn't saying police are bad, it is proper and necessary oversight and is what is best for citizens and police.

            1. NetMageSCW · 1790889173 · focus · HN ↗

               I would only agree with this if supposedly good cops were willing to throw their fellow bad officers under the bus, but that practically never happends, so they are essentially all bad.
            2. AdamJacobMuller · 1790891486 · focus · HN ↗

               I have long said, and I will stand behind, that by and large the % of police which are assholes is about the same as the % of the overall population who are assholes.

               The only difference is that a random asshole on the street can't really do anything to me, I can just walk away.

               A random asshole cop has a crazy amount of discretionary power over me, even without him stepping outside departmental procedures or the law.

               1. nielsbot · 1790902612 · focus · HN ↗

                  I don’t expect that’s true. I think there is a self-selection for certain personality types (authoritarianism, thrill seeking, military cosplay fantasies, etc.) that make cops more abusive overall than the general population. By what percentage I can’t say.

                  Edit: seems this is partially true for personality but this study shows a correlation with holding more right wing views. (college students who expected to pursue law enforcement careers) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;40768353&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;40768353&#x2F;

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