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Cops Can Bypass iPhone's Automatic Reboot to Get into Locked Phones

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delichon · 1790868019 · focus · HN ↗
I keep all of my most sensitive personal documents on my phone, as an emergency backup, but in an encrypted (Cryptomator) volume that requires a separate password. Given the routine news of such exploits this seems like due diligence.
As I understand it this encryption is a significant additional barrier to technical or legal access to those files. If someone knows otherwise, please let me know. Being wrong could cost me my home and life savings.
1. pieter_mj · 1790868216 · focus · HN ↗
  If you travel abroad you must unlock. No 4th amendment for you.
  1. skinfaxi · 1790868427 · focus · HN ↗
    You can decline but then they can seize is that right?
    mmooss · 1790870773 · focus · HN ↗
    It would depend on the country.
    alistairSH · 1790872737 · focus · HN ↗
    In the US, that is generally true. They cannot prevent entry (by citizens), but can keep the phone for a period.
  2. jstanley · 1790868440 · focus · HN ↗
    This is mostly FUD. I've never been asked to unlock my phone when travelling abroad.
    [deleted] · 1790868681 · focus · HN ↗
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    dana-s · 1790868727 · focus · HN ↗
    I believe the parent comment is talking about leaving US, coming back to the US and then having US's border patrol do so. If that is also what you understood, are you an activist or anyone whom would be of interest to the feds to be asked so? Otherwise saying "I've never been asked" sounds like a common thing for most people.
    jimt1234 · 1790869302 · focus · HN ↗
    What's the BFD? I have nothing to hide! (I hear that shit all the time. So annoying.)
    jstanley · 1790869807 · focus · HN ↗
    Reading this kind of stuff online made me afraid of international travel for many years. When I finally did it literally nothing happened to me.
    Yes it's bad that the government overreaches, but it is also bad for your mental health to worry about it.
    UpsideDownRide · 1790870993 · focus · HN ↗
    It's even worse for your mental to never think about It.
    simiones · 1790872942 · focus · HN ↗
    It's important to separate what can happen from what will happen.
    The majority of people walking in the worse neighborhoods of LA or Chicago never have a single crime happen to them. But that doesn't mean that it's safe to go in a bad neighborhood - and it really doesn't mean it's safe to go there wearing designer clothing, gold watches, diamond rings and wearing your Apple VR device.
    The same is true for travel. It's perfectly safe for the vast majority - but it's very important to be aware what may make you a target and what can happen to you if you are. Tens of millions of people visit the UK or China every year with no incident. But if you're a public active supporter of Palestine Action, or an active demonstrator against the CCCP respectively, be aware that you personally face a real risk from this travel, and your devices are actually very likely to be searched at those borders. Vice versa though (anti-CCCP activist traveling to UK, PA activist traveling to China) is perfectly safe, though.
    Liftyee · 1790873294 · focus · HN ↗
    Last time I checked, the Soviet Union was dissolved.
    (CCCP = Union of Soviet Socialist Republics...)
    simiones · 1790940886 · focus · HN ↗
    Oops, should have said CCP, not CCCP.
    Though I should note that this would be the "SSSR" since I was clearly using the latin alphabet, even if I had chosen to use the Russian name of the USSR.
    bryceacc · 1790880583 · focus · HN ↗
    this sounds exactly like the chilling effect and fear the US government wants to instill on people these days. They want us to know big brother is watching, they have the power to stop and search you, and you can't do anything about it
    [deleted] · 1790869310 · focus · HN ↗
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    bryceacc · 1790869451 · focus · HN ↗
    <a href="https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/09/immigration-advocate-sues-border-agents-for-demanding-his-cell-phone/" rel="nofollow">https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/09/immigration-advo...
    >CBP only searched the electronic devices of 55,318 international travelers,” the agency wrote, or 0.0013%.
    would suck to be one of those 55 thousand people. I've never been bitten by a shark but I sure care about people that have?
    serf · 1790870203 · focus · HN ↗
    I get asked to unlock my dev laptop every single time I go from the US to Montreal. The TSA person sits there and waits for my WM to boot before waving me past.
    It seems more like they're trying to determine that it is in fact a laptop and not something resembling one.
    dylan604 · 1790871815 · focus · HN ↗
    That's been my experience as well. I've visited Sydney twice, and both times I've been asked to light up my devices. Granted, I was on work trips requiring three separate laptops which does probably look suspect, but once they were booted they did not request to browse anything and were satisfied to see them working.
    0cf8612b2e1e · 1790874564 · focus · HN ↗
    All the more reason to dual boot into a decoy OS. Does not stop a targeted investigation, but lets you pass a cursory examination where some thug might want to rifle through your data.
    Edit: now I am gleefully thinking about how I would craft my decoy desktop persona. What gives me the most effective non interesting profile.
    matheusmoreira · 1790879658 · focus · HN ↗
    Now I'm wondering what exactly they're looking for... What else could those devices have been?
    0cf8612b2e1e · 1790881531 · focus · HN ↗
    Maybe the agent gets lucky and you have a folder full of nudes on the desktop.
    wildzzz · 1790884538 · focus · HN ↗
    They are looking to see if you've gutted a laptop and filled it with explosives or drugs. Although tbh, a computer that can launch a desktop doesn't need much physical space and the battery just has to last long enough for a cursory glance.
    folmar · 1790882645 · focus · HN ↗
    In EU normally BIOS startup screen is the point at which they wave it as ok.
    LorenPechtel · 1790901794 · focus · HN ↗
    I've only had it a couple of times, BIOS was enough. Very good as the battery in that machine was shot and it couldn't actually boot. (I always used it plugged in, it wasn't worth the cost to fix.)
    sellmesoap · 1790889377 · focus · HN ↗
    Might also be documenting serial number and identifying radios associated with your device. As a dragnet etc. Palantir and co love them some massive data hoards!
    Havoc · 1790874022 · focus · HN ↗
    Dismissing something as false just because you haven’t personally experienced it is quite something
    jstanley · 1790877059 · focus · HN ↗
    "If you travel abroad you must unlock" is hardly the central experience. It is FUD.
    Havoc · 1790879691 · focus · HN ↗
    No, it's just incredibly bad reasoning. I've not been in a car crash yet, but I don't conclude that therefore talk of road safety is FUD.
    jstanley · 1790933029 · focus · HN ↗
    The fact that car crashes are possible does not mean you're going to have a car crash every time you get in a car though? Suggesting that you are is FUD.
    FireBeyond · 1790879003 · focus · HN ↗
    TSA thought it odd that I had two MBPs (work and personal) and an iPad in my carry on, and asked me to power up all three.
    encrypted_bird · 1790902283 · focus · HN ↗
    What is an MBP?
    FireBeyond · 1790996673 · focus · HN ↗
    MacBook Pro.
  3. eli · 1790878718 · focus · HN ↗
    That’s not the full story and not really correct.
    <a href="https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/can-border-agents-search-your-electronic" rel="nofollow">https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/can-border-agen...

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