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1. Tangurena2 · 1790856629 · focus · HN ↗

   > “In [Fiscal Year] 2025, out of the over 419 million travelers CBP processed at ports of entry, CBP only searched the electronic devices of 55,318 international travelers,” the agency wrote, or 0.0013%.

   The harassment is targeted at critics & opponents of the current regime. The message is very clear: Be afraid of us. Be very afraid

   There are 33 days remaining until election day. Vote out all the incumbents.

   1. ct0 · 1790857250 · focus · HN ↗

      If you think that the current administration is the sole driver of this, and it will end once their term expires, I have a bridge to sell you.

      1. order-matters · 1790858869 · focus · HN ↗

         they said vote out ALL incumbents

         1. iinnPP · 1790859104 · focus · HN ↗

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            1. order-matters · 1790859276 · focus · HN ↗

               so then what, we just dont vote? no one said it would fix everything/anything, but signals of change need to be sent

               1. iinnPP · 1790859627 · focus · HN ↗

                  If everyone avoided the ballot box? I imagine that coming to pass would indicate that the change has indeed already happened.

                  You can't vote out of this, you can only organize across groups and control your way out.

                  I'm happy to hear the alternative where you manage to vote incumbents out without the cooperation needed to actually fix the problem.

                  1. npongratz · 1790859708 · focus · HN ↗

                     But you see, they just have to vote harder!
                  2. order-matters · 1790864033 · focus · HN ↗

                     are you aware that voting takes about an hour one time on one day - so whatever it is youre thinking we do 'instead', we can still do as well? of which you havent suggested anything other than to sell people bridges

                     1. [deleted] · 1790866428 · focus · HN ↗

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                     2. iinnPP · 1790866961 · focus · HN ↗

                        The comment is meant to illustrate that I don't think their statement is different enough to contradict.

                        The lack of effort to vote is obvious. As is what happens when you vote out all of the incumbents.

                        It's not a solution, that is obvious. Mostly because it's not suggesting anything concrete, either.

                        My suggestion is quite a bit more concrete. It's grounded in reality. The level of organization required to vote out ALL incumbents, is better used actually solving the problem.

                        I wouldn't presume to present such a solution, as I am only me. I would happily suggest voting in specific people over voting out the incumbents, at the very least.

                        1. order-matters · 1790869501 · focus · HN ↗

                           oh i think the disconnect is that the statement "vote out all incumbents" is much more of an expression of sentiment for individual consideration as a baseline and not an attempt to organize and control the vote to get exactly that output by treating voters like programmable robots, which is not democratic anyway

                           1. iinnPP · 1790874758 · focus · HN ↗

                              So, you're attributing a bunch of ideas to me that I never expressed. Making some pretty wild assumptions along the way.

                              I speak literally. It's much less cognitively exhausting. How does one effectively navigate the minds of others anyway?

                              All I'm doing is an expression of sentiment for individual consideration.

                              1. order-matters · 1790949908 · focus · HN ↗

                                 idk man youre pretty difficult to talk to, by making a bunch of assumptions under the guise of taking something literally. not even sure what i attributed to you, nor do you need to navigate the minds of others. its more just hearing the feeling being expressed and not assuming a large stance being taken with logistics and organization involved

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