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StreetComplete on iOS is now in public beta

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  1. atollk · · focus · HN ↗
    I love the project idea, unfortunately I had bad experiences with the community. I had lots of fun walking my neighbourhood to perform quests in the app until like one or two other users started reverting my edits. I checked their comments and it was some weird pedantic arguments, like I shouldn't mark a street as not walkable because there is no official sign that prohibits walking; the fact that it's basically a highway with no sidewalk would not matter.

    I ended up digging through the OSM wiki for definitions and rules to argue my case but in the end it felt very much like people on a power trip insistent on getting their way. It has ruined the fun in StreetComplete for me and I haven't participated since.

    1. westnordost · · focus · HN ↗
      This has been the most controversial quest in StreetComplete for a while. Following several discussions about it, I have now removed it for the upcoming version (i.e. v64.0).
      1. pcthrowaway · · focus · HN ↗
        Can you steelman the case of the users who reverted the above commenters' edits?

        In most countries, walking on a controlled-access highway[1] is specifically illegal. Why should it not be marked as non-walkable just because there's no signage?

        [1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Controlled-access_highway" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Controlled-access_highway

        1. rtpg · · focus · HN ↗
          OP&#x27;s comment:

          &gt; it&#x27;s basically a highway with no sidewalk would not matter.

          &quot;Basically a highway&quot; and &quot;a highway&quot; is different!

          In my experience all highways have markings explicitly banning walking (among other things). So it sounds like OP was making a judgement call based on the fact that there&#x27;s no sidewalk.

          I have the unfortunate experience of walking alongside certain roads without sidewalks. It&#x27;s not fun by any means but I wouldn&#x27;t want OSM to outright say that it&#x27;s not walkable.

          Of course it maybe &quot;actually&quot; was a highway.

          1. komali2 · · focus · HN ↗
            In Taiwan they mix &quot;positive&quot; and &quot;negative&quot; indication signs.

            So for example, you&#x27;ll see a sign indicating cars are OK for a freeway. That means, heavy motorcycles and scooters are NOT ok. You can only take your heavy motorcycle on it if it also has a heavy motorcycle sign. But SOMETIMES they&#x27;ll use the slightly different motorcycle sign which means scooters ok. Well, if it&#x27;s ok for scooters, it must be ok for heavy motorcycles as well, right? Wrong! Heavy motorcycles must then take the car lane, if there&#x27;s a lane marked for scooters.

            Also sometimes there&#x27;s a road marked no cars! Scooters ok. Heavy motorcycles? Who knows!

            As for pedestrians: lol just die

            Cars ok, heavy motorcycles ok scooters not ok: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taipeiscooterrentals.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2026&#x2F;01&#x2F;heavy-vehicle-warning.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taipeiscooterrentals.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2026&#x2F;01&#x2F;...

            Cars ok, heavy motorcycles ok, scooters not ok by implication: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.calebjay.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;rent-motorcycle-taiwan&#x2F;cars_motorcycles.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.calebjay.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;rent-motorcycle-taiwan&#x2F;cars_...

            Quick, google is telling you you need to cross this river, are you allowed on this road or not??? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;@25.0756527,121.6435485,3a,75y,96.01h,85.1t&#x2F;data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdLgq35h_l6ipRWs65dLDiw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D4.903936136757039%26panoid%3DdLgq35h_l6ipRWs65dLDiw%26yaw%3D96.01443445056339!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&amp;g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDkyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;@25.0756527,121.6435485,3a,75y,9...

            Time to head back to Taipei proper after hanging at e7play, let&#x27;s cross the river... oh wait, there&#x27;s 600 cars behind you blaring their horns as you enter this intersection, which way are you going? Can you go straight?? Who knows! <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;@25.0722621,121.4934581,3a,75y,43.8h,86.79t&#x2F;data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1oI6UkHmPrmJ-j51w0auYw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D3.2142431134372345%26panoid%3D1oI6UkHmPrmJ-j51w0auYw%26yaw%3D43.8037387582172!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&amp;g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDkyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;@25.0722621,121.4934581,3a,75y,4...

            I&#x27;ve had plenty of friends bicycle into places they apparently aren&#x27;t allowed to. There&#x27;s no sign that says no, but the bicycle isn&#x27;t allowed by the implication of some combination of allowed-vehicle signs that are lacking a bicycle-allowed sign.

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