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To grieve, or not to grieve?

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  1. zaptheimpaler · · focus · HN ↗
    Most of these idealistic pieces about AI seem to come from senior, established or wealthy people who aren't very exposed to the labor market. In that view, the question of AI and its transformation is almost philosophical like this piece.

    It's more a question of survival if you're labor though. It's very transformative tech but it's coming at a time when the scales are heavily tilted in favor of capital over labor, the government is the most corrupt its ever been and AI is going to make that much more extreme. It doesn't matter how amazing the technology is if all the benefits are going to accrue to the same few people who already have everything and destroy everyone else's bargaining power.

    1. simianwords · · focus · HN ↗
      Most people who oppose AI don’t oppose it because it’s so good it can replace us. They oppose it because, in their own words, they think it’s hype and it doesn’t work. The first step is to collectively agree that yes, AI is powerful and it can replace us at work. Then we can speak about how to protect livelihood. How does one even have a discussion when the other side doesn’t even believe in the capabilities of AI?

      Edit: not sure why I'm being downvoted because there are replies literally taking the exact position that I'm saying is more prevalent.

      1. bojan · · focus · HN ↗
        > They oppose it because, in their own words, they think it’s hype and it doesn’t work.

        This was maybe true a year ago, but is certainly not true any more.

        The laments these days almost always begin with the assertion that the AI does work.

        Mostly it's about funneling even more wealth into the hands of the richest and the incredible environmental penalty.

        1. BrenBarn · · focus · HN ↗
          For me it's more that it doesn't matter whether it works or not, because funneling that wealth into those hands is reason enough to stop it in either case.
          1. wartywhoa23 · · focus · HN ↗
            The discourse of "AI does work vs doesn't" is carefully designed to make people fail to get to the root, kudos for not failing for it.
            1. simianwords · · focus · HN ↗
              eh its the age old "its actually a class issue you see, the elites wanna do something something and they are distracting you"

              Its very Marxist (or Marx adjacent), though Marx himself would agree that technology is not neutral and it determines progress.

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