I'm very strongly in camp 1. My reaction to this whole bru-ha-ha has been to start trying to build an open source data diode with entry/exit proxies that nets out to less than $100 retail. So far I've determined that while a WaveShare RP2350-ETH seemed like it might be perfect for it, the onboard CH2910 chip just isn't up to the requirements for the various proxies that have to be handled. I'm now moving on to the Raspberry Pi B+, yes, the old one, with no wireless at all, Adafruit still had some in stock. Once I get this working, I'll likely use something like a 6N137 optocoupler for the actual data-diode between two serial ports, with a data fountain handling the egress of data in a hard unidirectional manner.
Given the enormous burn rates that these LLM companies have, surely they could have put everything in an air-gapped network, with some data-diodes proxying out the logging information. It's not rocket surgery. [1,2,3]
I think someone involved in this needs to be prosecuted, the threat of prison time might be a strong enough incentive.
It would also be good if there were legislation requiring that a State Licensed Professional Engineer sign off on the testing systems for LLM training over a given threshold.
mikewarot · · focus · HN ↗
Given the enormous burn rates that these LLM companies have, surely they could have put everything in an air-gapped network, with some data-diodes proxying out the logging information. It's not rocket surgery. [1,2,3]
I think someone involved in this needs to be prosecuted, the threat of prison time might be a strong enough incentive.
It would also be good if there were legislation requiring that a State Licensed Professional Engineer sign off on the testing systems for LLM training over a given threshold.
[1] <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIR8dKX_UA" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIR8dKX_UA
[2] <a href="https://www.elonx.net/spacex-stories-how-spacex-used-tin-snips-to-fix-a-rocket/" rel="nofollow">https://www.elonx.net/spacex-stories-how-spacex-used-tin-sni...
[3] <a href="https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19770014245/downloads/19770014245.pdf?attachment=true" rel="nofollow">https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19770014245/downloads/19...