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Is sandboxing sufficient to contain rogue agents?

52 points · 99 comments · zdw

  1. Gigachad · · focus · HN ↗
    Seems to me that the problem is that if you sandbox agents enough to be safe, they can't do anything useful. And when you give them the tools to be useful, they can go off the rails in ways you didn't expect.

    Perhaps the answer is to have another agent who's goal is not to complete the given task, but to spot cheating or malicious behavior. We have seen some evidence that having AI review AI generated code actually does provide some value. You don't need a different model, just one which has been given the goal of finding flaws rather than achieving the task.

    1. baxtr · · focus · HN ↗
      That could work.

      My thinking is: If AI is really smart, AGI smart for some, why wouldn't it be able to understand - over time - what is appropriate and what not?

      Maybe we need more human intervention to train it properly. Maybe we need constant intervention by a "police" agent.

      1. mulmen · · focus · HN ↗
        Appropriateness is a moral question. Intelligence and morality are orthogonal. One intelligence's morality is another's atrocity.
        1. mdp2021 · · focus · HN ↗
          (Couriously enough, consistently with the matter: it will probably require too much time now to counter the parent statement properly, within a full enough explicit theory.)

          Ann's intelligence and Bob's morality will seem orthogonal. Charles' morality is a function of C.'s intelligence as an ability as an effort spent to reach the current moral conclusion.

          1. mulmen · · focus · HN ↗
            Bob's intelligence and Bob's morality are orthogonal. They're totally distinct concepts. One does not lead to the other.
            1. mdp2021 · · focus · HN ↗
              But they are dependent. If Bob is intellectually well equipped, and reasons long enough, than Bob understands "best behaviour".
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