56k.rip – the 1996 dial-up internet experience
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riddley · · focus · HN ↗
illusive4080 · · focus · HN ↗
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the_hoffa · · focus · HN ↗
Select modem mode and just hurt.
russellbeattie · · focus · HN ↗
33.6k.rip is a harder domain name to get though, so I get it.
zerozerotwo · · focus · HN ↗
toast0 · · focus · HN ↗
Yeah, but there was pretty much two options x2 (usr) and kflex (everyone else). I dunno about AOL and those guys, but for ISPs (and BBSes), they'd list the speeds with their dial-up numbers, so if you had an x2 modem you'd try their x2 number, and if you had a kflex modem, you'd try their kflex number... If you liked your ISP, when they got 56k, you would buy a modem for the tech they picked... if you were choosing a new ISP, you'd pick one that supported the tech you had.
Switching ISPs was pretty easy back then, unless you were using ISP email, but local ISPs might set you up with email forwarding as you're leaving. So switching to get a better connection speed was a real thing. You might also switch because your ISP had too many busy signals, or because even though you connected at 56k, their upstream connection was overloaded or had poor routing and you had poor speeds to the rest of the world.
russellbeattie · · focus · HN ↗
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brightball · · focus · HN ↗
Now we just need to bring back BBS’s and the daily turn based games. Legend of the Red Dragon, Usurper, etc.
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johnwalkr · · focus · HN ↗
A modern website has so many round-trip things happening for ads, tracking, and whatever goes on behind the scenes for frameworks and services are used. A lot of this is multiple round trips and blocking so you have to wait to start reading, and if something times out the website fails to load.
Between about 2012 and 2020 I had a mobile phone plan that throttled to 100kbps when I ran out of data (which was often). Throughout that time google search and hackernews worked at that speed normally, but in that time period the percentage of websites that fail to ever load changed from about 25% to virtually 100%.
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aduty · · focus · HN ↗
stingraycharles · · focus · HN ↗
iirc ISDN did require a special phone line, but 56k was fine over regular lines.
nekooooo · · focus · HN ↗
sometimes you'd also reconnect because the handshake got messed up and you'd connect at 33.6 instead of 'real' 56k
TedDoesntTalk · · focus · HN ↗
toast0 · · focus · HN ↗
insaneirish · · focus · HN ↗
Sort of. The quality/length of your local loop made a difference.
And heck, 56k being able to do 56k in the first place was dependent on not having a "regular" line between the ISP and their central office (CO), but rather it being digital, whereas the line from the user to their CO was always analog. Removing a set of digital to analog and analog to digital conversions in the ISP -> user path was what allowed the download speed to reach 56k. Upload was limited to 33.6k because it included an additional set of conversions and introduced more errors, prohibiting the higher speed.
This shows getting up to 56k over normal phone lines was indeed tricky.
2muchcoffeeman · · focus · HN ↗
You only got max speeds where the noise was low enough.
toast0 · · focus · HN ↗
If your line was noisy good luck. If your line had loading coils in the path between the CO and you, that would help your voice calls but make 56k harder to achieve (and was definitely problematic for DSL). Most telephone lines had loading coils every wire mile between the CO and the customer. If you had any of the older wonky stuff telcos used to magic more pairs for customers out of thin air, chances are they wouldn't work at 56k.
to11mtm · · focus · HN ↗
I remember calling AT&T (or maybe it was SBC by then) about flat out unreliability of our internet connection and the answer was "If you can carry a voice call, we do not care".
FWIW, the problem with our lines did eventually get so bad (although, we finally had cable internet by then) that even a voice call was unusable. Turned out one of the runs (not even the drop to our house) was allowing water to get into the lines. and that was the cause.
Will add, after they fixed that problem was when they got really aggressive about marketing DSL...
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bonyt · · focus · HN ↗
It uses rate limit buckets per-IP on the server side, applied before SSL termination so it doesn't include that overhead. If you open two tabs, they'll have to share. If your behind a NAT, you'll have to share with your NAT-mates. And, it also has headers saying not to cache anything, so you can continue to enjoy the experience.
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artyom · · focus · HN ↗
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VCFundedGenYer · · focus · HN ↗
Also riddled with inaccuracies.
slater · · focus · HN ↗
henrychannel · · focus · HN ↗
kfarr · · focus · HN ↗
akabul0us · · focus · HN ↗
But there ain't no whales, So we tell tall tales, And sing our whaling tune!
kfarr · · focus · HN ↗
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epcoa · · focus · HN ↗
alienbaby · · focus · HN ↗
epcoa · · focus · HN ↗
101008 · · focus · HN ↗
(When did this change? Around 2012?)
to11mtm · · focus · HN ↗
There's 'offline by default at home' and 'offline by default overall'. And it can blur.
At least as far as 'offline by default at home'
After (1) my dad retired and bought a brand new fancy PC with some of his unused leave time [0] we wound up getting a dial-up account [1] but sometime around 1998/1999 [2] we wound up just getting a secondary phone line; somehow the 'internet' was so magical to all of us kids or young adults, that it was better for our parent's budget to just pay for the extra phone line.
Still, it wasn't even 56K. Phone lines in my area of Detroit were garbage, if it did connect at 56K it was unstable as hell, 28.8 was the 'reliable' connection rate, to the point you prayed that was what it connected at.
For 'offline overall' the change can be more blurry, at least in my head. I blame work phones, my PSP's WiFi capabilities, and the HTC Dream (released 2008) as the slow shift for me.
FWIW, I did enjoy my time on WinPho, where the siloing of the OS and lack of apps, led to a quieter time where my phone was a 'phone' (and honestly, still a better one at calls, SMS, or driving navigation than than my current one) rather than be tempted by anything online.
It's weird to think about. Before I went to college, Online (thanks to that dial-up) was an escape from the prison of my home and where I lived. But now Online feels more like a tug away from enjoying life.
[0] - P2 266 MHZ 32MB Ram, 2(? might have been 4) GB HDD...
[1] - Thanks Diablo for the WorldNet trial and thanks WorldNet for having the practically unlimited usage thing [4]
[2] - My oldest Sister was Driving home from College and the engine on the car blew up while I was online. She couldn't call for help. [3]
[3] - How's that for a technology shift though, as far as taking things for granted (i.e. call waiting being seamless and not costing extra per month.)
[4] - Except for the bit where when AT&T somehow figured out we were using a 'Share-dial-up-over-LAN' a few years later, had to switch to Mindspring after dad had me do the research.
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SV_BubbleTime · · focus · HN ↗
A few bad moves and it’s been quite a subjective fall.
BellsOnSunday · · focus · HN ↗
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asciimov · · focus · HN ↗
2012 is a good date for roaming internet, although for the plans and places I’ve been it’s only been the last 3 or so years that roaming internet has been mostly reliable.
Telaneo · · focus · HN ↗
Saying that what happens on the internet doesn't actually matter nowadays is clearly untrue given even just the most cursory look at the state of the world today.
ryandrake · · focus · HN ↗
I mean, you can still have this: by 1. Not being Chronically Online and 2. Not worrying so much or watching what is going on online.
I’ve managed to keep the separation between “online” and “the real world.” Mostly by just not participating or caring about social media. Online only invades Real Life to the extent that you allow it to.
There might be someone over on Instagram “canceling” me right now! I have no idea because I don’t even have an account there.
Telaneo · · focus · HN ↗
It's hard to not attribute the current political climate to the online world affecting the real world, and that political climate is affecting me and most people I know, whether I like it or not.
I'm happy for you that it's not affecting you.
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vladdrak · · focus · HN ↗
jermaustin1 · · focus · HN ↗
It has all the warts of the early internet era: you can program a virus, get people to download it, delete their documents, etc., but it also has a lot of the charm, build a website, chat with strangers, enjoy the lack of facebook (for now until someone builds it).
1: <a href="https://sim95.kippy.io/" rel="nofollow">https://sim95.kippy.io/
tegiddrone · · focus · HN ↗
uean · · focus · HN ↗
samtheprogram · · focus · HN ↗
Barbing · · focus · HN ↗
lol, well done
dabbz · · focus · HN ↗
jermaustin1 · · focus · HN ↗
Honestly, thank you, though, for actually building something with this. I never thought anyone would use it for real.
dabbz · · focus · HN ↗
Simbook, ColdMail (email server, website for mail), Frostbird (a spark program for checking emails), AskSim (an ask jeeves search engine that actually crawls all of the machines in the network), Simxplorer (An IE browser with a javascript engine built into it), ELIZA (the preLLM chatbot with silly responses), Vapor (a Steam like program downloader that also has Doom and Snake). I'm toying around with a Clippy idea but haven't landed on if I like it or not.
tl;dr I'm having way too much fun
dabbz · · focus · HN ↗
A BIND/DNS service built in so we can point multiple hosts to a single machine (the 5 tabs are burning my browser).
The ability to modify the core OS a bit. Would be fun to work on skins, change default behavior, or add capabilities into the Spark language itself. would love to add screenshot capabilities for screenshare service.
midi/audio sys calls.
jermaustin1 · · focus · HN ↗
I hadn't even planned on releasing this yet, it's been a weekend project for the last few months, that I try to add one thing each time. Lately I've been working on software for it, I was going to create a better IDE. A mix of VB6 and FrontPage, but I keep getting distracted by other weekend projects.
dabbz · · focus · HN ↗
You could just become ICANN and allow anyone to host any TLD they want and keep certain TLDs reserved for yourself/own vetted projects.
I feel like "in-game currency" changes the goal of the system a bit. Though I have considered building PaySimPal service. So maybe not?
I think right now, what resonates with me in this project is just how open and buildable everything is. No forcing function to do things a certain way. Like I was about to go build a basic BIND service to serve DNS traffic over and let my Internet Explorer browser use it for host name resolution. Just, that means only people on IE would be able to view my beautiful works of art.
jermaustin1 · · focus · HN ↗
Do it, and I can back port that to the voyager, but the biggest thing this needs is the ability to run a server "headless" so people can start building infrastructure and leaving it running without the browser tab being open. But I love the idea that their tab closing actually turns off their server resulting in an outage.
I added a Show HN[1] if you want to discuss on their, I highlighted some of your sites, but I guess they've moved, now.
1: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49921544">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49921544
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Dwedit · · focus · HN ↗
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nico · · focus · HN ↗
Some were asking: a/s/l hahahaha
mproud · · focus · HN ↗
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h4kunamata · · focus · HN ↗
The icons do not even look remotely close to the dial-up computers.
When it disconnects, the reconnection sound is not that at all. Pages load too fast.
asciimov · · focus · HN ↗
lode · · focus · HN ↗
How can you have DSL (connecting through WAN Miniport PPPoE) and dial up modem sounds at the same time? Infuriating...
xnorswap · · focus · HN ↗
The "display settings" also claims it is set to 256 colour while the display is clearly far more colours than that too.
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singularity2001 · · focus · HN ↗
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GnosiWorks · · focus · HN ↗
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alexpotato · · focus · HN ↗
Other than that, this is such a blast from the past.
cHaOs667 · · focus · HN ↗
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jihadjihad · · focus · HN ↗
Launches a command prompt, just like I hoped it would. Nice.
ayaros · · focus · HN ↗
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henrychannel · · focus · HN ↗
This same chat space connects to the windows desktop chat too
KellyCriterion · · focus · HN ↗
Today, startmenu is showing me Xbox & videos on a MS server installation.
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waldopat · · focus · HN ↗
Back when I was 12, I installed linux on an old 386 to set up a little server. I remember writing the connection script to get on the internet. I still wonder how I learned to do that. Still a mystery! But those were the days when you just figured things out.
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