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Gemini 4 Argon (High): Intelligence, Performance and Price Analysis

112 points · 61 comments · theanonymousone

  1. aliljet · · focus · HN ↗
    It's hard to not see this as a gut punch for OpenAI. They're lead was largely captured by scoring on value (by way of reset after reset) and now they're getting eaten up on price and being bestes and equalled on performance. I'll still pay a premium for Opus 5.5 right now because it's nearly unlimited use, but Google is the quiet sleeping king Everyone is happy to watch everyone else, but I'd wager google burns more tokens through their search product than basically anyone else and now they're just quietly pacing the frontier...
    1. tomrod · · focus · HN ↗
      They own their hardware. That vertical integration alone probably saves oodles because they can reconfigure to their needs as opposed to individually negotiating data centre plans. I can't imagine the complexity both OpenAI and Anthropic have to maintain for their deployments.
      1. mkotlikov · · focus · HN ↗
        It's still not enough though, they're buying compute from SpaceX's colossus data centers.
        1. tomrod · · focus · HN ↗
          They may be buying it, but is there any indication they are using it for consumer-facing stuff? I would suspect given the scale there are many different things. I wish I knew more about standardization for cloud data center workloads though
        2. notatoad · · focus · HN ↗
          i don't know if you could say they're buying it "happily". more like begrudgingly.

          the deal has a 30-day cancellation policy, and they raised a bunch of debt around the same time to fund their own datacenter expansion.

          1. fragmede · · focus · HN ↗
            and they shut down Stadia so they'd have some extra GPUs to use for it as well!
        3. genxy · · focus · HN ↗
          That is google trying to keep their 10% worth something.
          1. largbae · · focus · HN ↗
            And it totally worked too.
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