> We’ll continue to gather feedback from early testers as we iterate on guardrails before making Argon available to developers, enterprises, and consumers as soon as possible.
Gemini not beating the "can't release a model" allegations
They will go through the usual transition of "can't release a model" to "won't load in a harness normal people can use for 3-4 weeks" to "it's smart as hell but completely inept at tool use and coding" to "now it's behind everyone else" ... like every Gemini release.
I have said this before here, but. I don't think they care.
Google gains very little by having us use their models for coding. It doesn't help them in their core mission ("to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful ^W^W^W^W^W^W[and turn it into ad revenue]"), nor would it be anything close to substantial revenue compared to the ads revenue firehose they already have.
They will push AI in a direction that serves their existing goals and service the coding agent model only as is necessary.
Then why don’t they just do that? I read this constantly, that Google has different goals (world models, ad rev, recursive looping, quantum computing AI, magic, whatever weekly hype words go around, etc.), but they continue to try competing with model releases focused on coding performance, benchmark results and agentic harnesses.
If Googles goal was something other than those, why expend Billions in time and effort? Alternatively, they want a part of the regular model use pie, they just struggle to compete. QED, there is no secrete alternate goal here.
Well, I worked there for 10 years and I can tell you that they're incapable of making a singular focused decision and executing on almost anything.
There's likely all kinds of internal competition and disagreements and dysfunctions.
babelfish · · focus · HN ↗
Gemini not beating the "can't release a model" allegations
cmrdporcupine · · focus · HN ↗
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They made their model so hard for people to drop into workflows, that people just... didn't.
Lack of adoption caused them to lose out on usage-based training data needed to smooth out their model's rough edges and progress the frontier.
cmrdporcupine · · focus · HN ↗
Google gains very little by having us use their models for coding. It doesn't help them in their core mission ("to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful ^W^W^W^W^W^W[and turn it into ad revenue]"), nor would it be anything close to substantial revenue compared to the ads revenue firehose they already have.
They will push AI in a direction that serves their existing goals and service the coding agent model only as is necessary.
Topfi · · focus · HN ↗
If Googles goal was something other than those, why expend Billions in time and effort? Alternatively, they want a part of the regular model use pie, they just struggle to compete. QED, there is no secrete alternate goal here.
cmrdporcupine · · focus · HN ↗
There's likely all kinds of internal competition and disagreements and dysfunctions.
So there's that.